Thursday, July 30, 2009

If quoting Muhammad and his allah is saying "filthy things," doesn't that make Islam's prophet and god both Islamophobes?

So, I say "filthy things" about Muhammad?

But I report what Islam's authoritative texts record of those words and deeds of most relevance to non-Muslims, apostates, women, and little girls.

If quoting Muhammad and his allah is saying "filthy things," doesn't that make Islam's prophet and god both Islamophobes?

Notice that when Mohamed Fadly tries to defend Muhammad, he does not deny that his prophet carried out the slavery, rape, child-rape, and slaughter that his own texts state he committed.

Instead, Mohamed:
-brings up passages that have nothing to do with the question of Muhammad's vile depravity (red herrings, non sequiturs),

-attacks the Biblical texts (false tu quoque arguments, false moral equivalences, clumsy ad hominems), and

-misrepresents what I've written (straw man "arguments").
How does the fact that Muhammad didn't kill someone in a particular instance mean that he didn't enslave, rape, and slaughter thousands and command his followers to do the same, claiming Allah made him do it?

Neither do verses and ahadith which appear to be decent and peaceful -- but the meanings of which have been either abrogated or not what they seemed to be in the first place at all -- negate Muhammad's brutality and perversion.

For example, Muslim propagandists and their Useful Idiot Dhimmis love to bring up "no compulsion in religion," but never mention, "invite . . . demand the jizya . . . fight . . . until all religion is for Allah."

They always claim Muhammad was beheading this and butchering that in "self-defense," but they never point out that even "disbelief" is considered "opposing" and "waging war against" Allah," the punishment for which is "execution, crucifixion . . . the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides."

Funny how that sort of deception and misinformation keeps happening.

Below Mohamed Fadly tries to defend Muhammad's treatment of prisoners of war by citing a verse on feeding "captives" -- slaves according to Tafsir Ibn Kathir, not prisoners of war -- and by misinterpreting Qur'an 5:33.

Here's all you need to know about Muhammad's treatment of prisoners of war: The Banu Qurayza, a Jewish tribe defending itself against Muhammad and his minions, eventually surrendered. All the men -- 700-900 of them, except for a few who saw the decapitation on the wall (or, more accurately, in the trench) and "converted" to Islam -- were beheaded and their women and children enslaved, with Muhammad taking an especially attractive, newly-created widow as his sex slave.

No doubt, Mohamed Fadly will try to defend that by saying, "She wanted it!"

Indeed, I've found that nothing woos a woman like slaughtering all the men of her tribe and raping her as soon as practicable.

Muhammad was quite a ladies' man.


Mohamed Fadly obfuscates:
In Qur'an; "And they feed, for the love of Allah, the indigent, the orphan, and the captive,-" A verse that was revealed in Al-Madinah.
But it's fine to rape your slaves, even if they're married to another. At least they're well-fed:
"Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess . . . " (Qur'an 4:24).
Mohamed [continues]:
Verse 5:33 don't apply on war prisoners, but those who commit Haraba crimes like the man who raped a child then killed him and his father.
Good thing Muhammad didn't kill 'Aisha and her dad, or he'd have to have killed himself.

One out of three will get you a spot in the Big Leagues.


The verse says:
"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter . . . " (Qur'an 5:33).
It says, "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger . . . ."

How can you crucify someone "waging war" against you unless they're captured, in which case they are, by definition, a prisoner of war? Do you hope [that] they['ll] ride their horse into your cross?

Not only is your reading of that verse questionable, so is your interpretation. Ibn Kathir says of it: `Wage war' mentioned here means, oppose and contradict, and it includes disbelief, blocking roads and spreading fear in the fairways. Mischief in the land refers to various types of evil."

So, in trying to show that Muhammad treated prisoners of war decently, you've highlighted instead the fact that Muhammad requires execution, crucifixion, or cutting off hands and feet from opposite sides for "disbelief."

Now for a little target practice:
The amnesty of the prophet to the people of Mecca; "Go you're free." after his conquest to Mecca in 8th year after his immigration to Al-Madinah.
He "conquered" Mecca, warring againt his own tribe.
The prophet's prayer to the other warring party; "O Allah, guide my people because they are men without knowledge.", after the defeat of Muslims in Ohod battle, the killing of many of Muslims including his uncle and his injuries.
Allah chastised the Muslims for losing the Battle of Uhud. Too many of them had chosen to go after Meccan booty (literally) rather than do their duty in battle: When Muhammad's minions “saw the women fleeing lifting up their clothes revealing their leg-bangles and their legs,” they began shouting, “The booty! O people, the booty!”
"O mankind! We created you .., that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other) .." 49 : 13(Revealed in Medina)
Plagiarizing badly the Biblical creation story does nothing to negate, "kill the pagans wherever you find them" (Qur'an 9:5).
"Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not .. from dealing kindly and justly .." 60 : 8 (Revealed in Medina)
So, it's okay with Allah if a Muslim is kind to a dirty kafir who's not fighting with him?

It is a religion of peace!
"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, .." 8 : 60 (Revealed in Medina)
That's verse 61. Here's the actual verse 60, followed by a few others from the same sura:
"Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly."

"Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): 'I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them'" (Qur'an 8:12).

"It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise" (Qur'an 8:67).

"Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone (in the whole of the world). But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do" (Qur'an 8:38; ayah 39 from Noble Qur'an).
Mohamed continues:
"Let there be no compulsion in religion, .." 2:256 (Revealed in Medina)
Of course, no one can force inner belief, but words and actions? That's a different story. Perhaps someone should have told Muhammad:
"...he [Muhammad] said [to Abu Sufyan], ‘Isn’t it time that you should recognize that there is no God but Allah?’

"He answered, ‘You are dearer to me than father or mother. How great is your clemency, honour, and kindness! By God, I thought that had there been another God with God he would have continued to help me.’

"He said, ‘Woe to you, Abu Sufyan, isn’t it time that you should recognize that I am God’s apostle?’

"He answered, ‘As to that I still have some doubt.’

"'I said to him, "Submit and testify that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is the apostle of God before you lose your head," so he did so'" (Ishaq, 547).
No doubt, [just] another one of those pesky "exceptional incidents."