Monday, June 05, 2006

Islam carries out jihad not just with bombs, but also with bytes

Much like the thoughtless, soulless killers slaughtering innocents around the world in the name of Allah and his false prophet, Internet-based jihadists have been employed by Islam in service of its goal to enslave the world.

I received as a comment to a previous post the nonsense below from "Ahmedinajad." It appears to be some sort of form letter/spam intended to persuade the ignorant and gullible that Islam is actually from YHWH, the God of the Bible.

Before sharing the transparently deceptive attempt to legitimize the Religion from Hell and justify Mohammed's murderous lies by (falsely) connecting them to the Bible, I will let (the true) God speak for Himself on the relevance of Ishmael to His purposes:
Scripture says that Abraham had two sons, one by a woman who was a slave and the other by a free woman. Now, the son of the slave woman [Ismael] was conceived in a natural way, but the son of the free woman [Isaac] was conceived through a promise made to Abraham.

I'm going to use these historical events as an illustration. The women illustrate two arrangements. The one woman, Hagar, is the arrangement made on Mount Sinai. Her children are born into slavery. Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia. She is like Jerusalem today because she and her children are slaves.

But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother...Now you, brothers and sisters, are children of the promise like Isaac.

Furthermore, at that time the son who was conceived in a natural way persecuted the son conceived in a spiritual way. That's exactly what's happening now.

But what does Scripture say? "Get rid of the slave woman and her son, because the son of the slave woman must never share the inheritance with the son of the free woman."

Brothers and sisters, we are not children of a slave woman but of the free woman. (Galatians 4:22-26, 28-30).
Portions of "Ahmedinajad's" comments are below, followed by my responses.
Ahmedinajad said...
Dear Mr. President Bush & your Excellency the Pope Benedict

PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING PASSAGES FROM THE BIBLE AS IT HAS IMPLICATIONS ON THE WAR AGAINST TERROR/ISLAM and the claim of Israel that god gave them the land. If the child is an infant than the Judeo-Christian version becomes null and void and we are wasting our time and resources i.e. we could save trillions of dollars and create a more peaceful world rather than fighting against Islam the religion of Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them all).

The COVENANT with Abraham and his DESCENDANTS is central to islam/chritianity/judaism. IF PROPHET ABRAHAM WAS TESTED TO SACRIFICE ISMAEL AND NOT ISSAAC THEN BOTH JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANITY ARE DESTROYED AND VICE-VERSA FOR ISLAM.
What does the true God say?
When God tested Abraham, faith led him to offer his son Isaac. Abraham, the one who received the promises from God, was willing to offer his only son as a sacrifice.

God had said to him, "Through Isaac your descendants will carry on your name."

Abraham believed that God could bring Isaac back from the dead. Abraham did receive Isaac back from the dead in a figurative sense (Hebrews 11:17-19).
I guess that means that--by Ahmedinajad's own definition--Islam is destroyed, isn't it?
Please note this is not a competition between faiths but an attempt to decipher fact from fiction.
Which just occurred. And it is a competition between faiths. This is a contest between the faith of the Son of God Who loved us and gave Himself up for our sins and the faith of a murderous, thieving, lying, pedophilic, serial rapist.
GENESIS 16:16
And Hagar bore Abram a son; and Abram called the name of his son, whom Hagar bore, Ishmael. Abram was eighty-six years old when Hagar bore Ishmael to Abram.
GENESIS 21:5
Abraham was a hundred years old when his son Isaac was born to him.

At Genesis 22 Abraham had only 2 sons others came later. The Quran mentions that it was Ishmael that was sacrificed hence the reference in genesis 22:2 your only son can only mean someone has substituted Ishmael names for Isaac!!
False conclusions inevitably occur when one's argument is founded on false assumptions. In this case, that unsure foundation is the belief that the Qur'an is reliable on any matter contradicting the Bible.
BY DOING SOME KINDERGARTEN ARITHMATIC USING ARABIC NUMBERS (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10)
NOT ROMAN NUMERALS (I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX, X) NB no concept of zero in roman numerals.

100 years old – 86 years old = 14 ADD 3 YEARS FOR ISSAC’S WEANING
Roman numerals? Genesis was written in Hebrew, not Latin.

Funny, kindergarten comes to my mind, too.
THAT WOULD MAKE ISHMAEL 17 YEARS OLD IN GENESIS 21:14-21
BUT IT IS A DESCRIPTION OF AN INFANT.
It is clear from Genesis that Ishmael was a boy, not an infant. Besides, doing the math (recorded in Genesis itself), it is clear that he had to be somewhere over fourteen years of age.
Early the next morning Abraham took bread and a container of water and gave them to Hagar, putting them on her shoulder. He also gave her the boy and sent her on her way. So she left and wandered around in the desert near Beersheba.

When the water in the container was gone, she put the boy under one of the bushes.

Then she went about as far away as an arrow can be shot and sat down. She said to herself, "I don't want to watch the boy die." So she sat down and sobbed loudly.

God heard the boy crying, and the Messenger of God called to Hagar from heaven. "What's the matter, Hagar?" he asked her. "Don't be afraid! God has heard the boy crying from the bushes. Come on, help the boy up! Take him by the hand, because I'm going to make him into a great nation" (Genesis 21:14-18).
Ahmedinajad continues:
Carefully read several times the above passage and then tell me the mental picture you get between the mother child interactions what is the age of the child. If the mental picture is that of a 17 year old child being carried on the shoulder of his mother, being physically placed in the bush, crying like a baby, mother having to give him water to drink, than the Islamic viewpoint is null and void.
Nowhere does the Genesis text say the boy was carried on his mother's shoulders, as Ahmedinajad falsely claims. Neither does the text say he was placed "in" a bush, but under one. Since Hagar was despairing, it is not unreasonable to think that Ishmael was also.

Again, just as above, the "Islamic viewpoint is null and void."
I have shown the passage of Genesis 21 to my two elder children of good reading ages now and without influencing them asked them what mental picture they got about the age of Ishmael in that passage and they thought he was about 5 years old. I have also tried the same thing with my work colleagues some of whom are qualified with PhD’s and have the ENGLISH language as their mother tongue and they also said they thought Ishmael was 5 years or younger because some of them stated by themselves that there was no verbal interaction between mother and child. I.e. If Ishmael is not of talking age then he must be less than a year old.
Genesis indicates that Ishmael was at least 14. The lack of a written record of verbal interaction between Hagar and Ishmael does not mean that there was none. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. To conclude that Ishmael was not of "talking age" demonstrates very poor reasoning skills (unsurprising coming from one with this worldview).

The rest of Ahmedinajad's post consists of the Qur'an's lies regarding several Biblical characters, useful only for demonstrating that either the Jews and Christians of Mohammed's day knew nothing of their own Scriptures and so passed on to him horribly mangled versions of those tales, or Mohammed butchered the actual Biblical tales to suite his own purposes (which seems more likely, since every one of Mahomet's perversions favor Islam and demean or defame Christ and God's prophets).
HOLY QURAN CHAPTER 37 verses 101 - 122....

...ISHMAEL IS THE FIRST BORN AND GOOD NEWS OF ISSAC DOES NOT APPEAR UNTIL AFTER THE SACRIFICE?????
More of Mohammed's deceit meant to usurp the person and work of Christ. Of "firstborn" YHWH says:
When God was about to send his firstborn Son into the world, he said, "All of God's angels must worship him" (Hebrews 1:6).
Of "good news" He states:
This Good News is about his Son, our Lord Jesus Christ. In his human nature he was a descendant of David. In his spiritual, holy nature he was declared the Son of God. This was shown in a powerful way when he came back to life (Romans 1:3, 4).
And on the ultimate "sacrifice":
But Christ came as a chief priest of the good things that are now here. Christ went through a better, more perfect tent that was not made by human hands and that is not part of this created world.

He used his own blood, not the blood of goats and bulls, for the sacrifice. He went into the most holy place and offered this sacrifice once and for all to free us forever (Hebrews 9:11, 12).
Ahmedinajad continues...
THEREFORE THE CLAIM THAT GOD GAVE THE LAND TO ISRAEL IS DESTROYED WITHOUT THE NEED OF ANY WMD’s.
But YHWH says:
There was a famine in the land in addition to the earlier one during Abraham's time. So Isaac went to King Abimelech of the Philistines in Gerar.

The LORD appeared to Isaac and said, "...Live here in this land for a while, and I will be with you and bless you. I will give all these lands to you and your descendants. I will keep the oath that I swore to your father Abraham (Genesis 26:1-3).
And:
The LORD said to Moses, "Send men to explore Canaan, which I'm giving to the Israelites" (Numbers 13:1, 2).
What has been destroyed is Ahmedinajad's false claim!
...One of the descendants of this CHILD [Ishmael] passed on his DNA to Muhammad the illiterate whose religion is now violently spreading by the sword and soon to overtake the whole planet.
That's pretty well-stated (if not overly optimistic). Here is something else YHWH says about Ishmael and his descendants:
Then the Messenger of the LORD said to her, "You are pregnant, and you will give birth to a son. You will name him Ishmael [God Hears], because the LORD has heard your cry of distress.

He will be as free and wild as an untamed donkey. He will fight with everyone, and everyone will fight with him. He will have conflicts with all his relatives" (Genesis 16:11, 12).
More Ahmedinajad:
...A brief lesson on Islam.

It is the oldest faith on the planet it starts of with Adam and Eve, and continuous through revelations given to Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Moses, David, Solomon, Jesus (many others too numerous to mention) until its completion under the messenger ship of Muhammad (pbuta). Islam is not an exclusively an Arab faith as there is no scriptural evidence that Muhammad (pbuh) said that he is the founder of Islam. One cannot quote the Quran as it is not the work of Muhammad as he could not read or write in any language including Arabic. Just as Jesus has himself not ever said that he is the founder of Christianity or Moses has not stated that he is the founder of Judaism.
This is the same, old, tired lie trying to legitimize Islam. Any even cursory comparison of the teachings of the Bible and the Qur'an show the two religions to be as different as night and day.

YHWH does not lie, would not contradict Himself, and would not allow His word to be corrupted.
...Below are verses from the Quran, where GOD/SATAN himself says that the scriptures were changed by the scribes.
Muslim scribes, that is.

This is an ironic statement, since Islam's god is satan. Jesus says that the devil was a liar and murderer from the beginning. That description perfectly fits Allah and his apostle.

The rest of Ahmedinajad's nonsense merits no response. If one wishes to know the truth of Christ, go to His word, the Bible.