Calling Conservative Republican a "conservative Republican" is like calling the genocidal pedophile Muhammad a "prophet"

One of the more rabid examples of the psychosis necessary to defend the murderous child-rapist Muhammad.

From here:

More absurd ad hominem?

For the benefit of anyone else who might come across this, I use translations by Muslims, for Muslims, and I provide specific citations so that everyone can determine for themselves who is telling the truth and who is defending the genocidal pedophile Muhammad.

Speaking of the inaptly-named "conservative republican," we're waiting still for him to explain why he defends "kill the pagans wherever you find them" (Qur'an 9:5) and "The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) married me when I was seven years old. The narrator Sulaiman said: or Six years. He had intercourse with me when I was nine years old" (Abu Dawud Book 11, Hadith 2116).

Don't hold your breath, folks, Con has demonstrated a pathological aversion to facts.

Islam or "Islamism" the difference between Liberty and death

"Give me shari'a, or give me death"? "Forbid it, Almighty God!"
We know what course Mr. Henry would take.

Islam forbids anything critical of the genocidal pedophile Muhammad, even if it's true. When non-Muslims refuse to state plainly that Muslims' killing, maiming, and raping in Allah's name is Just Plain Islam, when they try to distinguish falsely between true, historical, Qur'anic, Islam-the-way-Muhammad-intended Islam and a fiction like "Islamism," they're implying that Islamic supremacism and violence in service to it are merely aberrations carried out by "extremists highjacking a great world religion of peace" (Thank you, President Bush).

In fact, McCarthy, et al. are self-imposing Islamic law. More importantly, they're aiding its establishment over the rest of us.

You can't defeat an enemy you cannot name, and you can't survive an enemy you let in the gates. A genocidal, pedophilic, totalitarian ideology by any other name is just as odious.

Two cents on the Spencer vs. McCarthy debate over misdefining Islam:

The problem with non-Muslims' putting all their hopes for avoiding the inevitable Armageddon with Islam in some sort of "reformation" is that the success of the Protestant one -- Luther's, at least -- was in pointing the Church back to the Word of God, which leads to truth, the forgiveness of sins, and freedom.

Attention paid to Islam's core texts is exactly what the non-Muslim world and Muslim apostates, women, and little girls (and boys) don't need. Muslims pointing to Islam's "sacred" texts are directing their coreligionists to "kill the pagans wherever you find them . . . Fight . . . the People of the Book until they pay the jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued . . . [Paradise] belongs to those who slay and are slain [fighting in Allah's cause]" (Qur'an 9).

To Andy McCarthy and the rest of you alleged Islamorealists: Don't wish for an Islamic reformation. You're already in one.

Adding fuel to his bonfire in hell

Smells like roast pig prophet.

Raping a child is hellish enough. When your victim is someone you made your sex slave at Allah's ordaining when she was only a little, nine-year-old prepubescent child, you've reached a new level of depravity. And then you beat her for not trusting you. Why would she doubt?

Worst of all, because the execrable Muhammad claimed to be an Allah-pleasing example for all Muslims to follow -- and indefensibly perverse Muslims believe him -- all that he said and did is prescriptive for the faithful for all time. For 'Aisha and many other Muslim females, that meant and means a lifetime of child rape, sex slavery, polygyny, beatings, and discrimination, all with the threat of "divine" retribution if you complain.

But Liberals love the wife-beating pedophile, defending his brutality as legitimate religious expression protected by the First Amendment.

More on the misogynist from hell, here:

Muhammad b. Qais said (to the people): Should I not narrate to you (a hadith of the Holy Prophet) on my authority and on the authority of my mother? We thought that he meant the mother who had given him birth. He (Muhammad b. Qais) then reported that it was 'A'isha who had narrated this: Should I not narrate to you about myself and about the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)? We said: Yes. She said: When it was my turn for Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) to spend the night with me, he turned his side, put on his mantle and took off his shoes and placed them near his feet, and spread the corner of his shawl on his bed and then lay down till he thought that I had gone to sleep. He took hold of his mantle slowly and put on the shoes slowly, and opened the door and went out and then closed it lightly. I covered my head, put on my veil and tightened my waist wrapper, and then went out following his steps till he reached Baqi'. He stood there and he stood for a long time. He then lifted his hands three times, and then returned and I also returned. He hastened his steps and I also hastened my steps. He ran and I too ran. He came (to the house) and I also came (to the house). I, however, preceded him and I entered (the house), and as I lay down in the bed, he (the Holy Prophet) entered the (house), and said: Why is it, O 'A'isha, that you are out of breath? I said: There is nothing. He said: Tell me or the Subtle and the Aware would inform me. I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story). He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you? She said: Whatsoever the people conceal, Allah will know it. He said: Gabriel came to me when you saw me. He called me and he concealed it from you. I responded to his call, but I too concealed it from you (for he did not come to you), as you were not fully dressed. I thought that you had gone to sleep, and I did not like to awaken you, fearing that you may be frightened. He (Gabriel) said: Your Lord has commanded you to go to the inhabitants of Baqi' (to those lying in the graves) and beg pardon for them. I said: Messenger of Allah, how should I pray for them (How should I beg forgiveness for them)? He said: Say, Peace be upon the inhabitants of this city (graveyard) from among the Believers and the Muslims, and may Allah have mercy on those who have gone ahead of us, and those who come later on, and we shall, God willing, join you (Muslim, Book 004, Number 2127).

A. Hussien first denies Muhammad began raping little, prepubescent Aisha when she was nine, then he says child rape was "common in that time and was not non-familiar"

You can't have it both ways.  Either the Islamic texts mean what they say -- and Muslims have understood them to say for nearly one and one-half millennia -- or they do not.  If they do, then Allah is the devil and Muhammad is its apostle.

A. Hussien begins with:

"I've never called you a liar"

Suggesting that I've never read Qur'an but instead just copy-and-paste from "anti-Islam" sites is impugning my character and attributing to me dishonesty.

"I've adequate knowledge of my religion's instructions which allows me to assist you to understand what you may not understood correctly."

Great. Then you should acknowledge that what I've written of Muhammad and cited from your own "sacred" texts is accurate.

"I'm glad that you're using USC's MSA Compendium of Muslim Texts (Noble Qur'an) as it's the same one I use when I post translated verses"

USC's MSA's translations are by Pickthal, Shakir, and Yusuf-Ali. The "Noble" Qur'an I referenced is the translation by Muhammad Taqi-ud-Din Al-Hilali and Muhammad Muhsin Khan.

"my heart reassures when I read it and it doesn't derive from it but peace, knowledge, good and beauty"

How can you derive from "sacralized" slaughter, rape, and slavery anything but horror, revulsion, and rage?

"and how it has a negative impact on you"

You call commands to behead us and rape and enslave our wives and children "negative."

"Islam is not for everybody"

Not decent people, at least. Or non-Muslims or Muslim apostates, women, and little girls.

"and people do not think in the same way."

That's an basic difference between you and me: You think that people can disagree on whether or not to brutalize, violate, and vivisect "unbelievers." I don't.

"Who's the author of the copy you own of sirat rasul Allah?"

There's only one of author of that biography [Ishaq], of course. Being an expert on Islam, you should know that.

"I didn't lie, - now who's calling the other a liar?"

Anyone who claims to know Islam well enough to teach me but denies its barbarism and depravity is a liar.

"God revealed all these verses to Mohammed peace be upon him in times of war."

Are you so unfamiliar with the genocidal pedophile's history? You must know that Muhammad received his first "revelation" when he was out in solitude performing a pagan religious ritual. Terrified that he was possessed by a demon (he was right), it was Khadijah who assured him that Allah was going to protect him.

It is true that in the beginning Muhammad's message was not well-received, but neither name-calling nor rejection justify violence, and there was no "war" until Muhammad had an army and began waging it. Essentially, you're blaming non-Muslims for defending themselves against Muhammad.

"But do not forget that Islam prescribed a code of conduct in war which remains unsurpassed to this day."

Yes, today we slaughter any man who surrenders and rape and enslave his wife and children (our leaders getting first pick of whom to rape AND a fifth of the spoils -- greedy!). No, wait! That was Muhammad. Well, at least we wage offensive warfare on religious grounds. No, sorry again! That, too, was Muhammad. Okay, let me try one more time: We pin nursing mothers to the ground with large blades through their chests for mocking our prophets. Oh! That was Muhammad, too!

"Unsurpassed"? In hellishness? Yes.

"Part of his instructions to the Muslim army was: ". . . Do not kill an old man, a woman or a child. Do not injure date palms and do not cut down fruit trees . . . ."

An expert on Islam like yourself would know that Muhammad made exceptions to Allah's rules whenever it suited him, such as . . .

. . . killing women and children:

"The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 256).

. . . slaughtering the elderly:

"Then occurred the "sariyyah" [raid] of Salim Ibn Umayr al-Amri against Abu Afak, the Jew, in [the month of] Shawwal in the beginning of the twentieth month from the hijrah [immigration from Mecca to Medina in AD 622], of the Apostle of Allah. Abu Afak, was from Banu Amr Ibn Awf, and was an old man who had attained the age of one hundred and twenty years. He was a Jew, and used to instigate the people against the Apostle of Allah, and composed (satirical) verses [about Muhammad].

Salim Ibn Umayr who was one of the great weepers and who had participated in Badr, said, 'I take a vow that I shall either kill Abu Afak or die before him.' He waited for an opportunity until a hot night came, and Abu Afak slept in an open place. Salim Ibn Umayr knew it, so he placed the sword on his liver and pressed it till it reached his bed. The enemy of Allah screamed and the people who were his followers, rushed to him, took him to his house and interred him" (Ibn Sa'd, Kitab al Tabaqat al Kabir, Volume 2, (2), p.32).

. . . murdering women for mocking him:

"When the apostle heard what she had said he said, 'Who will rid me of Marwan's daughter?' Umayr bin Adiy al-Khatmi who was with him heard him, and that very night he went to her house and killed her.

In the morning he came to the apostle and told him what he had done and he [Muhammad] said, 'You have helped Allah and His apostle, O Umayr!' When he asked if he would have to bear any evil consequences the apostle said, 'Two goats won't butt their heads about her,' so Umayr went back to his people.

Now there was a great commotion among Banu Khatma that day about the affair of bint [daughter of] Marwan. She had five sons, and when Umayr went to them from the apostle he said, 'I have killed bint Marwan, o sons of Khatma. Withstand me if you can; don't keep me waiting.' That was the first day Islam became powerful among Banu Khatma; before that those who were Muslims concealed the fact . . .The day after Bint Marwan was killed the men of Banu Khatma became Muslims because they feared for their lives" (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allah).

"Then (occurred) the sariyyah of Umayr ibn adi Ibn Kharashah al-Khatmi against Asma Bint Marwan [. . .] She used to revile Islam, offend the prophet and instigate the (people) against him. She composed verses. Umayr Ibn Adi came to her in the night and entered her house. Her children were sleeping around her. There was one whom she was suckling. He searched her with his hand because he was blind, and separated the child from her. He thrust his sword in her chest till it pierced up to her back. Then he offered the morning prayers with the prophet at al-Medina.

The apostle of Allah said to him: "Have you slain the daughter of Marwan?" He said: "Yes. Is there something more for me to do?" He [Muhammad] said: "No . . . " (Ibn Sa'd's Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir).

"A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet [. . .] and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet [. . .] and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there.

When the morning came, the Prophet [. . .] was informed about it. "He assembled the people and said: 'I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up.'

Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up. "He sat before the Prophet [. . .] and said: 'Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her.'

"Thereupon the Prophet [. . .] said: 'Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood'" (Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4348).

. . . destroying trees:

"It is narrated on the authority of 'Abdullah that the Messenger of Allah . . . ordered the date-palms of Banu Nadir to be burnt and cut. These palms were at Buwaira. Qutaibah and Ibn Rumh in their versions of the tradition have added: 'So Allah, the Glorious and Exalted, revealed the verse: "Whatever trees you have cut down or left standing on their trunks, it was with the permission of Allah so that He may disgrace the evil-doers"'" (Muslim Book 19, Number 4324).

A. Hussien continues with Muhammad allowing those he'd conquered to "Go your way, for you are free," Which, of course, does nothing to negate his beheading 600-900 who had surrendered to him [or the plethora of verses commanding blood].  Then . . .

"Those are the people who tortured him, insulted him, tried to assasinate him, chased him out of Mecca, and caused the killing of many of his followers, would you do the same thing if you were in his place?"

Would I slaughter, rape, and enslave over insults? No. And if my greed, bloodlust, and just-lust led me to war against my neighbors, I would NOT claim victim status and blame them for resisting. A problem with your relations at Mecca? Fine. Keep it all in the family. But expanding your "revelations" to include offensive warfare against all non-Muslims who refuse the "invitation" to convert or submit is evil.

"Yes I know the Doctrine of Abrogation, but would you please provide some of these passages?"

You're an expert. You know that 9:5 abrogates all the former, more peaceful verses that contradict it.

Here's Muhammad admitting that he changed his story to suit his immediate goals:

"The Prophet said, `If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath'" (Bukhari Volume 7, Book 67, Number 427).

"Whatever communications We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring one better than it or like it. Do you not know that Allah has power over all things" (Qur'an 2:106)?

Hussien continues:

"Once again, read the verses before and after the ninth verse and you'll find the answer."

Fifth verse. And no, I'm not taking the verse "out-of-context." (Remember, I asked you to save time by refraining from trying the Top Ten Ways to Trick Ignorant and Gullible Non-Muslims into Thinking that "'Islam" Means 'Peace.'")

"Honestly, I still haven't developed a complete opinion on that matter yet. As there're a lot of debates going on right now on the issue of Jihad and its provisions. So I really can't give an answer to that question."

That's more honest than most Muslim apologists will admit. I commend you.

"Nope, because none of that happened" [in response to my asking, "Is it Muhammad's genocide or his pedophilia that scream out "prophet of god!" to you?"].

Except when it did.

"who were those with the most enmity to the Prophet? The non-believers is not it?"

Because he was raping, enslaving, and decapitating them.

"why history never tells us that the non-believers denounced the Prophet's mirriage to Aisha?"

The Islamic texts brag about it, Muslims endorse it. Do you think the fact that Muslims kill non-Muslims for merely telling the truth about Muhammad might have something to do with an alleged lack of criticism?

"these marriages were common in that time and was not non-familiar."

Which is it, Hussien? First, you deny Muhammad raped little Aisha, then you're saying it was common. You can't have it both ways. Now you're justifying raping prepubescent nine-year-olds and claiming "the devil made me do it." What are you going to write next? Aisha liked it?

"These things come under the customs and traditions and not religion."

Being an expert on Islam, you must know that whatever Muhammad said and did -- or saw and allowed -- is "religion."

"Of course, our time is changed now, and this kind of marriages must not be allowed at all."

Thank you for stating that. Again, I commend you. What will you do to convince your coreligionists to remove that from shari'a?

"And what kind of genocide are you talking about?"

Killing non-Muslims on religious grounds. Since no society was Muslim before Islam warred against it, massive numbers of people of various ethnic backgrounds were murdered by Islam.

That's genocide.  Religiocide.

A second American Revolution

Massachusetts.  What an appropriate place for it to begin!

Actually, public discontent has been building a long time, but it boiled over all around the nation last year, as evidenced by the numerous Tea Parties across the country, private citizens emasculating their elected officials in local events, and the huge political defeats for the Democrats in the gubernatorial elections in Virginia and New Jersey.

Ironically (sadly? encouragingly!), Democratic reaction to their stunning humiliation last night portends even more intransigence in the push toward Socialism. President Obama explained away Brown's victory to people's being upset about not just the last couple of years, but the last eight years. In effect, Mr. Obama is crediting George W. Bush with putting Scott Brown in "Ted Kennedy's seat"! How's that for self-awareness!

(Senator-elect Brown's reply that the seat he sought to fill was not Kennedy's but "the People's seat" illustrates perfectly the chasm between our elected officials and us: Contrary to what they think, they work for us.  We are not their slaves.)

It is true that without Republican malfeasance during much of President Bush's time in office (and his endorsement of it), there is no way B. Hussein Obama would have been elected president (his personal charisma, good looks, and skills notwithstanding).

While the awakening of the American people in defense of its Liberty is encouraging, it cannot stop now.  It must continue until every self-aggrandizing, pompous, condescending tyrant who believes that We the People exist to provide him position -- rather than his position existing to protect our Rights -- is removed from office.

We the People must know and cherish those self-evident truths articulated powerfully in the Declaration of Independence, America's creed.  We must understand and defend the principles of limited government and individual rights codified in our Constitution and the Bill of Rights.  And we must keep ourselves informed of what the foxes are doing -- especially in the federal hen house -- since traditional media will not tell the truth about their co-ideologues in office.

We must elect honest men and women who will obey our Constitution and actually serve the People, not themselves.

Is it too much to hope that We the People not only can prevent a national euthanasia (Leftists like killing, except when it involves punishing criminals and terrorists; why do mass murderers have a greater right to life than babies, again?), but even roll back decades of Leftist usurpations of individual Liberty?

Don’t think we’re not keeping score, brother

Let's go to Mr. Obama for his reaction:

The (literally) Undocumented-Worker-in-Chief threatens Americans, prosecutes those who "mistreat" agents of the genocidal pedophile Muhammad, calls the Founding Fathers "potential domestic terrorists," and bankrupts and disarms the Republic.

Rather than treating our enemies in such a manner, instead he bows, embraces, surrenders, and apologizes to Leftist and Muslim tyrants.

It looks like someone's noticing.

Considering Muhammad's rabid feminism, why would a woman -- or little girl -- ever want to leave?

In response to more Muslim misrepresentation of Muhammad's malignant malice and misogyny here:

Hey, Bob, Leigh14 is practicing taqiyya. You've just been had.

If you define Islam as a religion based on the Qur'an, these men are not Muslims, either. The Qur'an is the most liberal and supportive toward women of the three Abrahamic religious books.

This is true only if the definition of "liberal and supportive" includes rape, child-rape, wife-beating, considering a woman's testimony worth only half of a man's, valuing a daughter so little that she receives half the inheritance of a son, and requiring a rape victim to have four witnesses -- which, of course, she will not, and so will she be executed for [admitting to] sexual intercourse outside of marriage.

[On the other hand, Christ commands His people to "Love your neighbor as yourself," and, "Treat others the way you want to be treated." He declares through His apostle: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:28).]

Here is what Sunni Islam has to say about "honor killings":

"A manual of Islamic law certified by Al-Azhar as a reliable guide to Sunni orthodoxy says that 'retaliation is obligatory against anyone who kills a human being purely intentionally and without right.' However, 'not subject to retaliation' is 'a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring's offspring.' ('Umdat al-Salik o1.1-2)."

Speaking of 'Umdat al-Salik:

"There is no doubt that this translation is a valuable and important work, whether as a textbook for teaching Islamic jurisprudence to English speakers, or as a legal reference for use by scholars, educated laymen, and students in this language." Dr. Taha Jabir al-'Alwani, International Institute of Islamic Thought (Herndon, VA; December 1990).

"...We certify that this translation corresponds to the Arabic original and conforms to the practice and faith of the orthodox Sunni community (Ahl al-Sunnah wa al-Jama'a)." al-Azhar, the Muslim world's most prestigious institution of higher Islamic learning (Cairo; February, 1991).

Leigh14 is correct about the "Christians" noted above; no one can murder, rape, or torture in obedience to Christ's commands.

On the other hand, not only the command of Allah -- Qur'an -- but the life of Muhammad -- recorded in [a]hadith and sira -- [is] considered authoritative by Islam.

Following is some of what Qur'an says regarding the treatment of females [. . .]

"Paradise" is a cosmic brothel:

"As to the Righteous (they will be) in a position of Security, Among Gardens and Springs; Dressed in fine silk and in rich brocade, they will face each other; So; and We shall join them to fair women with beautiful, big, and lustrous eyes" (Qur'an 44:51-54).

Allah-ordained child-rape:

"And for such of your women as despair of menstruation, if ye doubt, their period (of waiting) shall be three months along with those who have it not. And for those with child, their period shall be till they bring forth their burden. And whosoever keepeth his duty to Allah, He maketh his course easy for him" (Qur'an 65:4).

Beat your wives if "you fear desertion." Considering Muhammad's vile sadism, why would a woman -- or little girl -- ever want to run?

". . . good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them . . . " (Qur'an 4:34).

Rape your wife at will:

"Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilth as ye will" (Qur'an 2:223).

A woman's testimony is worth only half of a man's:

"Get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her" (Qur'an 2:282).

Polygamy, and raping your female slaves:

"If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice" (Qur'an 4:3).

Murdering women accused of "lewdness":

"If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or Allah ordain for them some (other) way . . ." (Qur'an 4:15).

A daughter receives only half of what a son does:

"Allah (thus) directs you as regards your children's (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females" (Qur'an 4:11).

Why women must be hidden like someone's property:

"And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex . . ." (Qur'an 24:31).

Raping married slaves:

"Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess . . . " (Qur'an 4:24).

Here are a couple of ahadith regarding Muhammad's favorite wife Aisha. He was in his fifties when he "married" her.

She was six.

And Aisha was a little, prepubescent nine-year-old when he began raping her:

"My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old" (Tabari 9:131).

"Narrated 'Aisha [Mohammed's six-year-old "bride" and nine-year-old sexual "partner"]: 'Allah's Apostle said (to me), "You were shown to me twice in (my) dream [before I married you]. Behold, a man was carrying you in a silken piece of cloth and said to me, 'She is your wife, so uncover her,' and behold, it was you. I would then say (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.'"'" (Bukhari Volume 9, Book 87, Number 139 and 140).

But Christ warned:

"whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea" (Matthew 18:6).

Muhammad must be in a special part of hell.

Will he argue -- as he did for Muhammad's raping little, prepubescent Aisha beginning when she was only nine-years-old -- that that camel liked it?

Posted at a patriot's site:

(Bukhari Volume 8, Book 82, Number 794): Narrated Anas:

Some people from the tribe of 'Ukl came to the Prophet and embraced Islam. The climate of Medina did not suit them, so the Prophet ordered them to go to the (herd of milch) camels of charity and to drink, their milk and urine (as a medicine). They did so, and after they had recovered from their ailment (became healthy) they turned renegades (reverted from Islam) and killed the shepherd of the camels and took the camels away. The Prophet sent (some people) in their pursuit and so they were (caught and) brought, and the Prophets ordered that their hands and legs should be cut off and that their eyes should be branded with heated pieces of iron, and that their cut hands and legs should not be cauterized, till they die.

Hello, Mohamed.

I've had a lot of time to think over what I might have done wrong in order for you to forbid my posting at your site and to delete my comments quoting your allah and its prophet.

If what I was saying was false or in error or just plain nonsense, that should have been easy to demonstrate. You could have left up my words and your refutations of them in order to shame me publicly into perpetuity.

But you didn't. Why not?

It's a little ironic, isn't it? I disallowed Underclassed's comments for gratuitously and undeservedly insulting Reb and for his virulent use of profanity-as-argumentation, but you ban me for . . . telling the truth?

What does that say about you, Mohamed? Your arguments? Your god? Your prophet?

I have a question about Muhammad the Physician: Since he prescribed drinking camel urine for medicinal purposes, do you also drink camel urine (when the climate doesn't suit you, that is. We mustn't take anything out-of-context!)?

If not, how can you defend him as the Perfect Man, as Allah's "beautiful pattern of conduct"?

If you do, will you argue that camel urine used to provide a health benefit, but that only Muslims, and not other civilizations, noticed?

Will you argue -- as you did for Muhammad's raping little, prepubescent Aisha beginning when she was only nine-years-old -- that that camel liked it?

Or will you argue that infidel science has yet to determine the salutary effects of that magic elixir?

As far as convincing proofs go, Jesus did not turn clay into doves; that is an apocryphal story, not historical fact (as in the canonical books).

But if He had, Jesus would not have needed "the help of God," as if He were not God Incarnate Himself, which is your implication, is it not?

Finally, since Christ spoke only the truth, committed no sin, healed the sick, raised the dead, died for the sins of the whole world (including you and me) -- and Himself resurrected and appeared to hundreds of eyewitnesses on many occasions over 40 days -- why do you not believe Him?

Instead you defend as "holy" Muhammad, who blasphemed the Living God you claim to worship, lied, stole, destroyed, enslaved, raped, mutilated, and slaughtered gratuitously. You defend all of it as "divine," going so far as to assert as scientific fact incidents that no one in the world ever witnessed.

What is it about Muhammad that convinces you to believe him? Is it the deceit? The genocide? The torture, The mutilation?

Is it his having assassinated poetesses while they nursed? His beheading prisoners of war? His murdering apostates?

Is it his anti-Semitism? His hatred for Christians? Animists? Hindus?

Is it the sex slaves? The rape?

Is it the Allah-ordained pedophilia that moves you so?

For all those who don't believe that any decent world religion could exalt child rape, you're absolutely right

Which is why unspeakable depravity such as that detailed below can occur only in Islam.

It occurs because Allah ordained Muhammad's raping little, prepubescent Aisha:

"My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old” (Tabari 9:131).

"Narrated 'Aisha [Mohammed's six-year-old "bride" and nine-year-old sexual "partner"]: 'Allah's Apostle said (to me), "You were shown to me twice in (my) dream [before I married you]. Behold, a man was carrying you in a silken piece of cloth and said to me, 'She is your wife, so uncover her,' and behold, it was you. I would then say (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.'"'" (Bukhari Volume 9, Book 87, Number 139 and 140).

Sunnis can try to escape blame by scapegoating Shiites ("it's not us!"), but Sunni Islam is just as guilty of "sacralizing" child rape as the Ayatollah-in-hell.

From here:

"'A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine other sexual act such as forplay rubbing kissing and sodomy is allowed. A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not comitted a crime but only an infraction if the girl is not permanently damaged. If the girl however is permanently damaged the man must provide for her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man s four permanent wives. He also is not permitted to marry the girl[']s sister.'"

Speaking of 'Umdat al-Salik:

"There is no doubt that this translation is a valuable and important work, whether as a textbook for teaching Islamic jurisprudence to English speakers, or as a legal reference for use by scholars, educated laymen, and students in this language." Dr. Taha Jabir al-'Alwani, International Institute of Islamic Thought (Herndon, VA; December 1990)

"...We certify that this translation corresponds to the Arabic original and conforms to the practice and faith of the orthodox Sunni community (Ahl al-Sunnah wa al-Jama'a)." al-Azhar, the Muslim world's most prestigious institution of higher Islamic learning (Cairo; February, 1991).

More eloquence in two sentences than in all of Obama's teleprompters

More truth, too.

So am I.

The great feminist Muhammad on women (and little girls -- literally): Rape them, beat them, stone them, cheat and mistreat them

This goes a long way toward explaining why he allegedly forbade killing female babies -- he didn't want others to have all the fun.

Muhammad must have a special place in hell.

As always when discussing Islam, I focus on how Muhammad and his allah defined the religion.

Any references to individual Muslims in Islamic history, current events, or personal experience are offered as evidence of how Muslims understand and obey those texts.

Fortunately for non-Muslims trying to understand Islam, its "sacred" texts are understood literally by well over ninety percent of the world's Muslims.

Unfortunately for non-Muslims trying to survive Islam, those texts are understood literally by well over ninety percent of the world's Muslims.

You'll notice a difference in style and substance between Mr. Fadly and me . . .

I focus on what Allah commanded and Muhammad said and did.

Mohamed focuses on everything but what Allah commanded and Muhammad said and did.

We're not concerned with Islam-as-Mohamed-Fadly-wants-us-to-think-it-is, we are concerned with Islam.

Without even reading what Mr. Fadly has written regarding women in Islam -- something like Western women are treated like whores, but Muslim women are "elevated and revered," their honor "protected and defended," right? -- let's see just exactly what Allah and his apostle think about women . . . and women-to-be, posted here:

In speaking of divorcing girls who've not yet reached puberty:

"And for such of your women as despair of menstruation, if ye doubt, their period (of waiting) shall be three months along with those who have it not. And for those with child, their period shall be till they bring forth their burden. And whosoever keepeth his duty to Allah, He maketh his course easy for him" (Qur'an 65:4).

On Mohammed's raping of his nine-year-old "wife;" Allah ordained it!:

“My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old” (Tabari 9:131).

“Narrated 'Aisha [Mohammed's six-year-old "bride" and nine-year-old sexual "partner"]: 'Allah's Apostle said (to me), "You were shown to me twice in (my) dream [before I married you]. Behold, a man was carrying you in a silken piece of cloth and said to me, 'She is your wife, so uncover her,' and behold, it was you. I would then say (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.'"'" (Bukhari Volume 9, Book 87, Number 139 and 140).

On beating wives, "plowing the field," the legal value of a woman's testimony, polygamy (and raping your slaves), the penalty for "lewdness," a daughter's inheritance, and what to do with a woman caught in adultery:

“. . . good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them . . . " (Qur'an 4:34).

“Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilth as ye will” (Qur'an 2:223).

"Allah's Apostle said, "If a husband calls his wife to his bed (i.e. to have sexual relation) and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning" (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 460).

“Get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her” (Qur'an 2:282).

“If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice” (Qur'an 4:3).

"If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or Allah ordain for them some (other) way . . ." (Qur'an 4:15).

“Allah (thus) directs you as regards your children’s (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females” (Qur'an 4:11).

"There came to him [Muhammad] a woman from Ghamid and said: 'Allah's Messenger, I have committed adultery, so purify me. He [Muhammad] turned her away. On the following day she said: Allah's Messenger, Why do you turn me away? Perhaps, you turn me away as you turned away Ma'iz. By Allah, I have become pregnant. He said: Well, if you insist upon it, then go away until you give birth to (the child).

"'When she was delivered she came with the child (wrapped) in a rag and said: Here is the child whom I have given birth to. He said: Go away and suckle him until you wean him. When she had weaned him, she came to him [Muhammad] with the child who was holding a piece of bread in his hand. She said: Allah's Apostle, here is he as I have weaned him and he eats food. He [Muhammad] entrusted the child to one of the Muslims and then pronounced punishment. And she was put in a ditch up to her chest and he commanded people and they stoned her. Khalid b Walid came forward with a stone which he flung at her head and there spurted blood on the face of Khalid and so he abused her. Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) heard his (Khalid's) curse that he had huried upon her. Thereupon he (the Holy Prophet) said: Khalid, be gentle . . . .'" (Muslim Book 17, 4206).

And this doesn't [even] address the "divine" right to rape [married infidel women], or murdering [a poetess while she's] nursing just because she mocked the monster Muhammad.

Update: I had no idea Mohamed Fadly would defend Muhammad's abominable violations of little nine-year-old Aisha with, "She liked it," a shameful, disgusting, stomach-churning violation of even the most barbaric moral sensibilities.

But what can you expect from someone who defends Muhammad as a "prophet," as the "Ideal Man"?

And potentially, more than one billion others agree with him.

Originally posted on 7/20/09 at 12:25 AM

If you don't like the "filthy language," don't blame me, blame Muhammad

So, quoting Muhammad and his allah is "poisoning the atmosphere of the discussion"?

If you don't like the "filthy language," don't blame me, blame Muhammad.

The last time we discussed [this topic], you tried to justify Muhammad's raping little nine-year-old Aisha.

She lamented, "The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old” (Tabari 9:131).

You can't divorce what you haven't married [and this includes prepubescent girls]:

"And for such of your women as despair of menstruation, if ye doubt, their period (of waiting) shall be three months along with those who have it not . . . whosoever keepeth his duty to Allah, He maketh his course easy for him" (Qur'an 65:4).

[This is because] Aisha had not yet reached puberty (as if that would make raping a nine-year-old acceptable):

"Narrated 'Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)" (Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151).

"'A'isha . . . reported that Allah's Apostle . . . married her when she was seven years old, and she was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he [Mohammed] died she was eighteen years old" (Muslim Book 8, Number 3311).

Neither am I the one "accusing him of that filthy and dirty accusations," he's the one admitting it:

Allah's Apostle said (to me [Aisha]), "You were shown to me twice in (my) dream [before I married you]. Behold, a man was carrying you in a silken piece of cloth and said to me, 'She is your wife, so uncover her,' and behold, it was you. I would then say (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.'"'" (Bukhari Volume 9, Book 87, Number 139 and 140).

Will you now denounce that behavior as evil, Mohamed?

Will you now condemn Islam's "sacralizing" of pedophilia in imitation of Muhammad's example?

Or do you agree with Allah that such behavior is a "beautiful pattern of conduct for those who want to please" him?

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Jesus Christ died for Muhammad's sins, too. By all accounts, he rejected that, to his doom.

"Love" does not mean lying for nor dismissing evil; rather, if you love someone, you'll warn them to avoid their own destruction in this world and condemnation in the world to come.

Muhammad was a feminist, but to what end?

I've heard the Muslim claim that Muhammad "protected" female babies.

It turns out that that was same kind of "protection" afforded non-Muslims as dhimmis: Reserved for Muhammad's Abuse Only.

And since he was "a beautiful pattern of conduct for those who want to please" Allah, Muslim men to this day are affording women (and little girls) that same "exalted" status.

Fahasha trumpets the inherent feminism of Islam with this:

1.The Muslim woman has equal rights as the Muslim man has.
2. She enjoys property and inheritance rights. (Which other religion grants women these rights?). She can also conduct her own separate business.
3. She can marry any Muslim of her choice. If her parents choose a partner for her, her consent must be taken.
4. The dowry in Islam is a gift from a husband to his wife.
5. A Muslim widow is encouraged to remarry, and her remarriage is the responsibility of the Muslim society.

Yes, under Islam, women have the right to be beaten, to be raped by their husbands, to have their testimony count half of a man's, to be a victim of polygamy, to be murdered for "lewdness," to receive half the inheritance of a male, and more.

And beginning at the age of nine, to be raped as a disgusting pedophile's "wife," in Allah-pleasing imitation of Muhammad:

“. . . good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them . . . " (Qur'an 4:34).

“Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilth as ye will” (Qur'an 2:223).

"Allah's Apostle said, "If a husband calls his wife to his bed (i.e. to have sexual relation) and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning" (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 460).

“Get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her” (Qur'an 2:282).

“If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice” (Qur'an 4:3).

"If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or Allah ordain for them some (other) way . . ." (Qur'an 4:15).

“Allah (thus) directs you as regards your children’s (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females” (Qur'an 4:11).

“My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old” (Tabari 9:131).

Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil of Mohammed or his allah

Be deaf, dumb, and blind about Islam, or else, which makes her a tyrant and you a coward.

Ominously, one of the restrictions placed upon non-Muslims enslaved as dhimmis over centuries of Islamic conquest, annihilation, and oppression was the proscription against speaking of Allah or Mohammed. Many in the West today censor themselves voluntarily, and many out of fear.

My latest reply to one defending Mohammed at the expense of everything else. Note her use of one of the tactics employed typically by Muslims and their Useful Idiot Dhimmis against criticism of Islam -- unjustified and ugly personal attacks. If you can't refute the facts, attack the person citing them!

Perhaps it's only justifying of one's own sin.

Facts do not intimidate the truthful.

Speaking of "chasing tails," you spend many words below attacking my integrity (again), my honesty, my compassion, and my judgment, and you attribute to me positions I've never held (argumentum ad hominem and "straw man" arguments -- both are logical fallacies and inherently dishonest), but you do not address what I actually wrote.

I attributed to Mohammed responsibility for today's jihad. In support of this, I cited accurately Islam's own "sacred" texts -- documents at which you admit you've never even looked. How is it "insensitive" to quote Mohammed's own words?

Instead of addressing my words, you accuse me falsely of:

"all follow the fanatical radical ways of those Muslims"

"condemn every religion for their followers actions?"

"all catholics and Christians alike are murderers?"

"all Latin, or Hispanic males are murderers?"

"are all catholic priests pedophiles?"

"you are not more sensitive when speaking and emailing about groups of people"

"It only gives us all I'm sure insight on how you feel, truly feel about them..."

" . . . belongs to this group you speak so poorly of"

"hasn't he shown you otherwise?"

"do all the guests seem to wage holy war against you"

"My Husband and his family ( Non murderers- as you have referred to them(muslims, not specifically his family, but since they are part of that group it is equally offensive)"

"Muslims who do not wage "holy war" LOL on anyone."

"I know it's hard for you, you have never walked a mile in anyone else's shoes and see only your ways and ideas as truths, perhaps someday you will have to see others in a different light"

"WHO then are you to look down and judge anyone?"

When have I written anything negative about your husband or his family? When have I written of anything being true about "all Muslims"? You're lying about me; prove it, or apologize.

If by "the past" you are referring to old articles about Islamic murder, those were news reports. Blame Muslims who kill for Allah, not me for being able to read.

A religion's adherents are not [necessarily representative of] its god/founder. You are conflating the two, not me.

For example, a pedophile priest is not representative of Christ, since He warned that anyone who causes a little child to sin would be better off if he had a large stone tied around his neck and were thrown into the depths of the sea. On the other hand, a Muslim who begins raping his six-year-old "bride" when she's nine does imitate Mohammed's example.

Speaking of Christ, did He approve of or excuse the sin of His dinner companions? Did Christ tell them that they've just chosen alternative lifestyles and Moses was insensitive with all those Commandments? No, He told them to stop sinning.

Whom did Christ condemn? Whom did He call a "brood of vipers" and "white-washed tombs"? Liars. Christ was harsh with those who lied about their sin and used religion as a cover for evil.

Christ exposed evil. He condemned lies.

One last item. Jesus says that He is the only way to heaven. Does He have "tunnel-vision"?

Your comments to [. . . ] were not only undeserved and uncharitable, but foolish and faithless. She is honest and considerate to a fault, and she's willing to endure your pettiness and insults because she loves you.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Will you have the decency and integrity to apologize? Will you salvage your credibility, or will you persist in unfounded and scurrilous ad hominem attacks against those who love you and want the best for you and yours?

Abraham never did what Mohammed preached and practiced

From here, in response to an Islamic lie commonly repeated by ignorant dhimmis:

As a post-Vatican II Catholic myself, I share the ecumenical beliefs of most modern Christians. One of these is that Islam, being one of the three "Abrahamic" religions, has a great deal in common with Christianity, and that these common roots should be cultivated. It contains truth, and wisdom, and has built civilisations.

Islam shares nothing in common with Christianity.

That Mohammed transmitted (or fabricated) perversions of Biblical characters and events does not make Islam a continuation, completion, or correction of Christianity.

Neither can Islam be called an "Abrahamic" faith. When combating the heresy and apostasy of His own day, Christ told an unbelieving audience that if they were truly children of Abraham, they would do what Abraham did. Abraham never did what Mohammed preached and practiced. The prophet from Hell made the most vile and barbaric violations of the Ten Commandments "divine."

The words and actions of Mohammed prove clearly that Allah is no Christ. For example, Jesus said, "Love your enemies," but according to Mohammed, Allah commands, "kill the unbelievers wherever you find them . . . ." Jesus said that He is the Son of God, but Mohammed taught that whoever says Allah has a son blasphemes. Third, Jesus warned that whoever causes a little child to sin would be better off if a large stone were tied around his neck and he were thrown into the depths of the sea, but Mohammed said of his raping little nine-year-old Aisha, "If this is from Allah, then it must happen."

Mohammed may have received revelations from a "deity" (even the grotesquely self-serving ones), but there is no way that his god was the Biblical One.

What would Mohammed do?

In light of Allah's statement, "Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah" (Qur'an 33:21), it is reasonable to assume that the educated, faithful Muslim will strive to imitate his example.

In fact, Mohammed is called the "Ideal Man" in Islam. His words and deeds (and even what he saw and permitted) determine what is right and good.

If Mohammed's words and actions were at least somewhat moral, then non-Muslims can hope that more Islam will reduce and end eventually the threat posed by Muslims raping, enslaving, mutilating, and butchering in the name of Allah.

So, what is that example Allah desires his people to follow? What would Mohammed do? Let's ask him:

1. Slaughter all non-Muslims who refuse to convert to Islam or submit to its oppression, humiliation, degradation, and jizya:

"the Messenger of Allah . . . would say: 'Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war. . . . When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. . . . Invite them to (accept) Islam . . . If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya . . . If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them . . .'" (Muslim Book 19, Number 4294).

"fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) . . . " (Qur’an 9:5).

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" (Qur'an 9:29).

"Allah's Apostle said: 'I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle . . . '" (Bukhari Volume 1, Book 2, Number 24).

2. Engage in terrorism:

“Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been made victorious with terror. The treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand’” (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220).

"Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly" (Qur'an 8:60).

3. Kill even women and children:

"The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." I also heard the Prophet saying, "The institution of Hima is invalid except for Allah and His Apostle" (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 256).

4. Behead, crucify, mutilate, and slaughter:

"Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): 'I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them'" (Qur'an 8:12).

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter . . . " (Qur'an 5:33).

"It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise" (Qur'an 8:67).

5. Marry the six-year-old daughter of a close supporter and begin raping her when she turns nine (after all, Allah wanted it):

“My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old” (Tabari 9:131).

“Allah’s Apostle told Aisha [his six-year-old bride and nine-year-old sexual "partner"], ‘You were shown to me twice in my dreams. I beheld a man or angel carrying you in a silken cloth. He said to me, “She is yours, so uncover her.” And behold, it was you. I would then say to myself, “If this is from Allah, then it must happen”’” (Bukhari Volume 9, Book 87, Number 139-140).

6. Beat potentially disobedient wives . . . .

If at first you don't succeed justifying Mohammed's pedophilia, try, try again

More from an acquaintance trying to justify the pedophile prophet's predilection for prepubescent partners. And his terrorism.

"Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 55b"

So, you can't find any Biblical justification for your pedophilia.

And that makes it okay? [According to one source, that passage is a discussion of what defines "virgin" in relation to dowries. It is not permitting pedophilia.]

"in the Bukhari Aisha herself never stated her age"

Spurious and outright false. Bukhari records several different sources, including Aisha. You've also got Muslim and Tabari:

"Narrated Aisha: The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age" (Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234).

"The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old" (Tabari 9:13).

"A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old" (Muslim Book 8, Number 3310).

"Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death)" (Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64).

"Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)" (Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65).

"Narrated 'Ursa: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death)" (Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88).

"Narrated Hisham's father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consum[mat]ed that marriage when she was nine years old" (Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236).

"Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin: The Apostle of Allah . . . married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Medina, some women came. according to Bishr's version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah . . . and he took up cohabitation with me when I was nine. She halted me at the door, and I burst into laughter" (Bukhari Book 41, Number 4915).

"Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin: When we came to Medina, the women came to me when I was playing on the swing, and my hair were up to my ears. They brought me, prepared me, and decorated me. Then they brought me to the Apostle of Allah . . . and he took up cohabitation with me, when I was nine" (Bukhari Book 41, Number 4917).

"Narrated 'Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)" (Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151).

"'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and she was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old" (Muslim Book 8, Number 3311).

You've gone from trying to justify Mohammed's pedophilia to saying Aisha didn't say she was nine in Bukhari. You're willing to compromise your intellectual integrity to defend your prophet's barbarism. Don't you see there's a problem?

"you won't find a devout Muslim joining terrorist groups, 99% of the time when you hear of a terrorist they where 'not very religious'"

OBL is not devout? Is he an apostate? Were you able to find any mainstream Muslim groups denouncing him by name as an unbeliever?

In many of the reports I've read on terrorism, the jihadist often recently became more religious.

1) Does Qur'an and Sunnah teach that the devout Muslim must do whatever they are able to support offensive jihad against non-Muslims to establish the rule of Allah over all mankind?

2) Does Allah command violence against non-Muslims who do not convert and refuse to pay jizya?

3) Did Mohammed command and practice violence against non-Muslims who did not convert and refused to pay jizya?

4) Is the violence against non-Muslims carried out in the name of Allah consistent with Islam's "holy" texts?

The answer to all these questions is. "yes.

"The acts they commit negates their hopes of ever going to heaven."

Not according to your god and prophet: "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah?" (Qur'an 9:111).

"If I'm not mistaken there are Christian extremists also?"

That appears to be a tu quoque argument -- whether or not "extremists" exist in any other tradition does nothing to address the fact that Allah and his false prophet require offensive warfare against all who do not convert and refuse to pay the jizya.

That is one of the fundamental distinctions between Chritianity and Islam: when a Christian does evil it is always in violation of Christ's commands. When a Muslim wages offensive jihad against non-Muslims, commits pedophilia with his child bride, beats a disobedient wife, or kills an apostate, it is in accord with Allah's revealed will.

"tells us it's the lords will to kill . . . we will ascend straight to heaven if we kill . . . and they continue telling you whatever it takes; then we believe them. Suddenly we feel as if we're truly doing the work of the Lord"

Such an analogy fits what occurs in Islam quite well.

For that's just what Mohammed did.

Justifying Mohammed's raping a nine-year-old child and other atrocities

Here is a rebuttal to an earlier post with my comments.

Note that the author never demonstrates I've misrepresented Allah's commands or Mohammed's words and deeds.

He never approaches my citations of the Islamic scriptures at all except to defend raping a nine-year-old child.

I will respond to your closing . . . “...the one who commanded terror, enslavement, and genocide...the one who lied, stole, enslaved, raped (including a nine-year-old child), and butchered -- and commanded his followers to do the same...”

Were you able to demonstrate that I misrepresented any of the passages I cited?

But first I’d like to say that the “Muslims” who commit those acts, and I quote Muslim because they’re truly just using the faith as a vessel of hate; those people are dictators and tribal regimes, saying they speak for all Muslims is like saying that the KKK speaks for all Christians.

Where have I said that anyone "speaks for all Muslims"?

That statement is a barrel of red herrings because it asserts a moral equivalence between two relationships that do not exist. One must be ignorant of Biblical teachings to believe the latter part of your argument; one must be ignorant of Islam's scriptures (or hope others are!) to assert the former.

As is clear from Islam's core texts, the commands and justifications for genocide, assassination, murder, rape, pedophilia, slavery, stealing, lying, etc., all come from the word of Allah and the example of Mohammed.

The racial hatred and violence espoused by the KKK is diametrical to the words and deeds of Christ.

Neither does one find nominal Christians around the world becoming devout, joining the KKK and killing non-Christians in the name of Christ.

(By the way, dictatorships and tribal regimes do not necessarily preclude the faithful carrying out Jihad. They are not mutually-exclusive.)

clearly against Islam, as are the things you claim Muslims commit.

I claim? That's false. Those exhortations to -- and records of -- evil are straight from Islam's "holy" texts. You cannot dismiss them, and you cannot demonstrate I've misrepresented them.

"There are people in your faith as in mine who claim to be Muslim or a person of the book . . ."

How do you know they are not? Do you have some special integrity detector? Can you see into their hearts? Is it only your personal opinion on which you rely?

You know whether or not a person's life and doctrine are consistent with their god's revealed will by comparing their life and doctrine to . . . their god's revealed will.

For the Christian, that means the Bible. For the Muslim, that means Qur''an, Hadith, and Sira.

Osama Bin Laden is no religious figure in the Muslim world

He is a hero in much of the Muslim world. What major traditional Muslim organization has denounced him by name? Generic renunciations of "all terrorism" (meaning Israel) do not qualify.

the Imams and leaders of the sane Muslim nations denounce terrorism and send their sympathy to whom terrorists have slain.

Just addressed.

I’d also like to send you this passage from the Koran . . . .

Another red herring. It in no way negates the commands for offensive warfare to submit the world to the rule of Allah.

Rape: Premarital sex is prohibited in the Koran . . .

Premarital sex is not [necessarily] rape.

And as you must know, the example of Mohammed is determinative in Islam to the point that even what Mohammed saw and allowed is a foundation of religious doctrine and practice.

Besides that, what did Mohammed do and say? It was his law that spoils of (almost always offensive) war included women. Raping "(a captive) that your right hands possess . . ." (Qur'an 4:3 and 24) was not only acceptable, Mohammed's doing it made it "beautiful."

After slaughtering the men of one tribe, the false prophet took a woman he especially desired for himself:

"...we reached Khaibar; and when Allah enabled him to conquer the Fort (of Khaibar), the beauty of Safiya bint Huyai bin Akhtab was described to him. Her husband had been killed while she was a bride. So Allah's Apostle selected her for himself and took her along with him till we reached a place called Sad-AsSahba,' where her menses were over and he took her for his wife..." (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 143).

Do you honestly think she found his butchering of her husband and people attractive?

I’ve lost count of the amount of times people have brought up the prophet Muhammad . . . and his wife Aisha, but I will gladly clear this up for you. . . . people of all color, region, and religion married young wives . . .

You're justifying child rape.

Just to clear this up for you: you're justifying child rape.

Mohammed was in his fifties. According to most ahadith, Aisha was six when they "married." He began raping her when she was nine. (Where's Oprah?)

Who -- other than Muslims -- are allowed (even encouraged, since Allah says Mohammed was a "beautiful pattern of conduct") to rape children? Present one Biblical text allowing sex with nine-year-olds.

This is one more example of the danger to the human mind and soul posed by believing Mohammed was some sort of prophet.

His life and doctrines were perverse, but you defend something much worse than just perversion. Can't you see that? Have you no conscience at all?

. . . and to this day older men marry young wives where the age of consent is low.

Where is the age of consent low? And even if it is, how does that make it right?

People of your book and the jews also married young wives and I believe some were younger than Aisha

Prove it. Citations.

What kind of monster would even consider sex with a nine-year-old? And you want to justify it by saying others go for younger children? How much younger? Pre-natal?

Do you realize what you're doing? You're justifying child rape. You're sick.

I can’t see as something wrong

Disgusting.

it was common during those times.

Among savages, monsters, and pedophiles.

And how do you justify Allah's "ordaining" it?

When Muhammad . . . married Aisha, what would stop him from having intercourse with her?

There is one fact you seem to have neglected: SHE WAS A CHILD.

During the Mosaic Law girls younger than Aisha were being forced into marriage

Citations, please. Demonstrate from the Biblical texts that it was commanded or allowed.

Just because an act is recorded to have happened doesn't mean that it is good or permissible except in Islam, since whatever the pedophile prophet did is a "beautiful pattern of conduct" for the faithful.

and fathers even sold their daughters into slavery.

Again, demonstrate from the Biblical texts that selling one's daughter into sexual slavery was commanded or allowed.

This is another tu quoque and red herring, since the topic was what your god and prophet require. So far you've only confirmed Mohammed was a sexual predator, murderer, and pedophile.

Don’t point fingers unless your hands are clean, because you’re bringing up something which was accepted during those times and is still practiced in some areas. Not to mention it was also done by people of your faith.

Because the scum of the earth like Mohammed raped children, my hands are dirty? That is nonsense and false. You need to apologize.

What bearing does my faith have on what your god and pedophile demand, which was the topic of my comments? Even if someone who self-identifies as "Christian" commits such a crime, that doesn't make his wickedness and depravity acceptable or good.

Demonstrate from the Bible where YHWH ordained child rape as Allah did for Mohammed.

But what are you saying Muhammad . . . lied about or stole?

I am saying what your "holy" texts say:

"War is deceit" (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 268).

"Allah's Apostle said, 'Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?' Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, 'O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?' The Prophet said, 'Yes,' Muhammad bin Maslama said, 'Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab).' The Prophet said, 'You may say it' (Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 369).

"Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah" (Qur'an 3:28).

"he killed their men, and distributed their women, children and properties among the Muslims . . . " (Muslim Book 019, Number 4363-4366).

Continued . . .

your Bible doesn’t say [Jesus] was perfect either I believe.

If you have no idea what the Bible teaches, why would you offer any opinion at all?

Here is one of many verses describing Christ as without sin: "God had Christ, who was sinless, take our sin so that we might receive God's approval through him" (2 Corinthians 5:21).

Come to think of it, in your bible the only person mentioned as being free of sin was [Abraham]?

No, Abraham sinned also. You've not read the Bible at all, have you?

Find out for yourself what the texts say, as I have. Every quotation of Islamic "sacred" texts I've given demonstrating the hellishness of Allah and his apostle has been from . . . Islamic "sacred" texts.

The prophets Muhammad and Isa however were great individuals and their lives could be a model for anyone to live their lives by.

That's blasphemous and shamefully false.

Jesus committed no sin, healed the sick, raised the dead, spoke the words of YHWH, died for the sins of the whole world, and rose from the dead Himself.

Mohammed lied, stole, enslaved, raped, slaughtered, and taught others to do the same.

That you would claim any sort of moral equivalence between them is inexplicable apart from complete ignorance of both religions' scriptures [or the deadening of tour.

And also, how could one worship Isa when he himself doesn’t claim to be Allah[God]?

First, Jesus never claimed to be Allah, the deity of Islam.

Second, the name with which YHWH revealed Himself to Moses -- "I AM!" -- Jesus claimed as His own: "Jesus told them, "I can guarantee this truth: Before Abraham was ever born, I AM" (John 8:58).

""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone." (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)

It was a rhetorical question to make a point to someone who had yet to realize that he was addressing God Incarnate.

That you so carelessly mishandle Biblical texts demonstrates you've done none of your own study.

From where did you get that non-answer, a site for convincing Muslims ignorant of the Bible, or a site for convincing Western non-Muslims ignorant of it?

"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. (From the NIV Bible, Mark 12:29)

"One God" has been Christian doctrine since Christ. That this God is revealed in three persons -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit -- is also Biblical.

Here are some passages your resource probably didn't share with you:

In the beginning the Word [Logos, Christ] already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was already with God in the beginning.

Everything came into existence through him. Not one thing that exists was made without him.

He was the source of life, and that life was the light for humanity.

. . . He was in the world, and the world came into existence through him. Yet, the world didn't recognize him.

. . . The Word became human and lived among us. We saw his glory. It was the glory that the Father shares with his only Son, a glory full of kindness and truth" (John 1).

and,

They asked him, "How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly."

Jesus answered them, "I've told you, but you don't believe me. The things that I do in my Father's name testify on my behalf.

However, you don't believe because you're not my sheep. My sheep respond to my voice, and I know who they are. They follow me, and I give them eternal life. They will never be lost, and no one will tear them away from me. My Father, who gave them to me, is greater than everyone else, and no one can tear them away from my Father.

The Father and I are one" (John 10).

Here comes the tried and true . . .

Both your Bible and my noble Koran claim God is one and one alone.

Jesus said He is the Son of God: "Then all of them said, "So you're the Son of God?" Jesus answered them, "You're right to say that I AM" (Luke 22).

Mohammed said:

"In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary. Say: "Who then hath the least power against Allah, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every - one that is on the earth? For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things" (Qur'an 5:17).

"They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them" (Qur'an 5:73).

"The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth" (Qur'an 9:30)!

So, your Mohammed calls Christ a "blasphemer," "cursed," and "deluded." Mohammed is the enemy of Christ.

Professor Shahul Hameed said it better than I will ever be able to concerning this situation:

“As is borne out by this command of God in the Qur’an, Muslims must believe in all the prophets of God previously sent to humanity. This means that they are not permitted to show any disrespect to any prophet or to the religion he taught to his followers. To a Muslim, religious belief must come out of a person’s free choice, as God has also commanded not to use any kind of coercion in the matter of religion”

You can quote your professor. But your god and prophet say:

"the Messenger of Allah . . . would say: 'Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war. . . . When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. . . . Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. . . . If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them . . .'" (Muslim Book 019, Number 4294).

"fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) . . . " (Qur’an 9:5).

"Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers . . . " (Qur'an 9:14).

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" (Qur'an 9:29).

"Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do" (Qur'an 8:38, 39).

"O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him" (Qur'an 9:123).

"Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not" (Qur'an 2:216).

"Allah's Apostle said: 'I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle . . . '" (Bukhari Volume 1, Book 2, Number 24).

"Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly" (Qur'an 8:60).

And as for respecting other religions, what part of "fight . . . until all religion is for Allah . . . ," is respectful? Does "Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures" (Qur'an 98:6) sound like tolerance?

Whom will you believe, your professor or Allah's apostle?

And I’m asking you to read this article: http://www.islamonline.net/english/introducingislam/tolerance/article04.shtml

Does it negate Mohammed's confessions to slaughter, rape, and terror? Any pretense of Islamic tolerance is shattered by your prophet's own words.

Until you deal with that, you endanger your own soul and the souls of all with whom you have influence. You are part of the problem.

As you said the passage I sent you was meant for a specific people and them alone, the passages you’re quoting are also for specific times. The word “Jihad” is also too often misused, Allah almighty doesn’t command Muslims to kill non-Muslims for no reason . . . .

That is patently false, as the numerous Islamic texts cited (again) above demonstrate conclusively.

I've presented "divine" commands regarding a number of topics repugnant to decent people, including those for offensive warfare to make the world Islam. You've done nothing to demonstrate that I've erred with even one passage. The passages you've provided do not address that topic at all. You would have done as well to quote an automotive repair manual.

If you want to claim something like, "Well, there's contradictions here just like in your Bible," I would say two things: First, there are not contradictions in the Bible (if you say there are, prove it); Second, the contradictions in Qur'an are resolved by the Doctrine of Abrogation (naskh), which is why earlier passages requiring or allowing cooperation with non-Muslims were abrogated in favor of the many Passages of Blood.

I've been talking to a scholar recently and he made me realize my time would be better spent studying the Koran, Muslim history, and other Muslim literature.

He's trying to recruit you to jihad. Beware.

You ought to spend your time reading the Gospels. There you will learn of the God you seek. He's seeking you.

I'd be happy to answer you.

That is generous of you, but you've not yet answered one of my points regarding jihad.

debating this with you I walk a thin line with sin.

You defend child rape and genocide, and talking to me flirts with sin?

Perhaps he's afraid you'll realize what a corrupt ideology you've adopted.

I am in no position, as I am no scholar, to debate this with you

So it seems.

you're in no position either.

Was it my taking Biblical verses out-of-context to justify a doctrine that no Christian has ever held? Was it avoiding-at-all-costs addressing numerous verses of blood and brutality? Was it my use of false tu quoque arguments and moral equivalences?

No, all of that was you.

send me your rebuttal, I will read it but will not be able to answer.

You have yet to answer my first one.