Tu quoques, moral equivalences, projections, and other "arguments" in defense of Islam

Thursday, July 26

Tu quoques, moral equivalences, projections, and other "arguments" in defense of Islam

Whether it's YouTube, the Daily Bulletin, or WaPo, they're all the same. Can CAIR be everywhere at once?

In response to comments by "ahmed from bahrain."

"I consider myself very well balanced!!"
Considering Cartoon Rage, Pope Rage, and Rushdie Rage, is that saying much?
"the Western media . . . asked regarding women's rights, terrorism, suicide bombing, etc."
Yes, it's a complete mystery as to why systemic, institutionalized discrimination, brutality, and carnage overshadows any Infidel interest in prayer rugs.
"Terrorism for one is strictly a political issue"
Really? What did Mohammed say? “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been made victorious with terror’” (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220).
"which has nothing to do with Islam."
Hmmm. Mohammed said (that above, and) this: "Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): 'I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them'" (Qur'an 8:12). Allah will not be pleased.
"It is true Muslims use Islam for their political aims but this is common in all quarters"
A false, tu quoque argument. The topic is not Buddhism's divinely-ordained oppression of women nor Hinduism's historical slaughter of innocents, but Islam's. The essential difference between offensive warfare against non-Muslims and violence by members of any other major religious group is that jihad to make the world Islam is required by Allah and his apostle.
"What I would have liked to have seen is an admission that Western/US meddling in the Middle East and Islamic countries over the last 100 years has produced what we see today."
You'd like the victims to blame themselves? That's immoral and dishonest.

Non-Muslims (and apostates) have been raped, enslaved, and slaughtered at the command of Allah and in imitation of the false prophet Mohammed for nearly fourteen centuries everywhere Muslim numbers, knowledge, zeal, and resources have been sufficient to do so. Be honest.

When Muslims behead Christian schoolgirls for Allah, is that the West's fault? When Muslims murder elderly Buddhists, is that the West's fault? When teachers of girls are gunned down in cold blood in Pakistan because they taught girls, is that the West's fault?

Current events and very recent history are enough to refute your charge that Western policy is the cause of Muslim violence, but let's go back a bit further, shall we?

When Mohammed and his minions subjugated and slaughtered the pagan tribes of Arabia, was that the West's fault? When he had the men of Jewish tribes beheaded and took their women, was that the West's fault? When, after Mohammed died (too late), his successors exploded out of Arabia west, north, and east with Qur'an in one hand and the sword in the other, was that the West's fault?

The Holy Land, North Africa, the Iberian Peninsula, the Balkans, Byzantium, Persia, Eastern Europe, Western Asia, India, Southeast Asia -- brutal jihad was waged viciously against these peoples and their cultures until many were conquered or dead (a few having survived and/or recovered to some degree) -- was all of that the West's fault?

You've got a little problem. Your "sacred" texts not only spew the bloodlust of Allah, they also record Mohammed's zeal in satisfying it. And nearly one and one-half millennia of Muslims doing the same (as circumstances allowed) all demonstrate your claim that "It's the US'/West's/Jews' fault!" to be utterly false.
"How do the Muslims see this? and what do they suggest to create a better understanding of East/West? and thus create a lasting peace?"
"Peace." Muslims keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. However, I know what Mohammed thinks. He said:
"the Messenger of Allah . . . would say: 'Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war. . . . When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. . . . Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. . . . If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them . . .'" (Muslim Book 019, Number 4294).

"Allah's Apostle said: 'I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle . . . '" (Bukhari Volume 1, Book 2, Number 24).

"Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do" (Qur'an 8:38, 39).
The kind of "lasting peace" Allah wants is the kind that comes when all dissent is in chains or the grave.
"This is the core issue that is being avoided by Western media and their leaders."
That the Source and Sustenance of Islam's War Against Humanity are the words of Allah and the words and deeds of Mohammed is THE core issue that apologists for jihad in the West feverishly hope ignorant and gullible non-Muslims will never face.
"They never admit to their wrongs . . . The blood of the innocent is being spelt with no remorse or apology . . . it is very watered down and diplomatically dressed as to cause no offence . . . causing mayhem and bloodshed that is ensuing."
More blame the victim and a good amount of projection going on here.
"To add insult to injury they try cover up their own barbarism yet paint any Muslim as a terrorist even when evidence proves otherwise."
If anything, Western political, media, and academic elite bend over to avoid offending the offenders.

And as to your last point: If one's god commands him to use any means necessary -- even violence -- to convert, subjugate, and kill all unbelievers, does it not behoove his targets to admit that and plan and act accordingly?

How are those against whom such violence is required to distinguish between those who want to fulfill those requirements and those who will never do anything to undermine non-Muslim health, wealth, and government?

Finally, why would any decent person of good will profess faith in a god who not only endorsed Mohammed's depravity and brutality, but requires the same of others?
"If they want to know about Islam then pick up the Quran and read with an open heart."
And then get some help understanding Qur'an's peculiar arrangement. For the fuller context of Qur'an and the life of Mohammed, you'll also want to study Hadith and Sira.
"This applies to Muslims too."
Ever notice how it is often the recent and devout convert that so terribly "misunderstands" their religion and becomes a member of that "tiny minority of fundamentalist, extremist, Islamofascist hijackers of the Religion of Peace"?
"When both parties look at their own faults then we can see some peace."
Not until the commands of Allah for offensive warfare against non-Muslims -- and Mohammed's fulfillment of them -- are rejected as evil will this particular conflict end. It's already nearly 1400 years old.

On the fall of Constantinople

"[...] the great church of Hagia Sophia was filled to capacity. Thousands of people were moving towards the church. Inside, Orthodox and Catholic priests were holding liturgy, the last Christian service after almost 1,000 years. People were singing hymns, others were openly crying, others were asking each other for forgiveness [...].

"Bands of Ottoman soldiers began now looting. Doors were broken, private homes were looted, their tenants were massacred. Shops in the city markets were looted. Monasteries and Convents were broken in. Their tenants were killed, nuns were raped; many, to avoid dishonor, killed themselves. Killing, raping, looting, burning, enslaving, went on and on [...].

"The great doors of Hagia Sophia were forced open, and crowds of angry soldiers came in and fell upon the unfortunate worshippers. Pillaging and killing in the holy place went on for hours. Similar was the fate of worshippers in most churches in the city [...].

"Thousands of civilians were enslaved, soldiers fought over young boys and young women [...] the invaders broke the heads of those women who resisted on the floor of the churches and they raped them dead. The famous icon of Apostole Loukas was totally destroyed.

"The sultan asked for the young sons of Duke Loukas Notaras. Their father refused and Mehmed was ready to take their heads. Notaras asked him to kill him after his sons so that he was sure that they were dead and not disgraced from the pervert sultan.

"And this is what happened."

Black Tuesday, The Last Day of the World, the twenty-ninth of May, anno Domini MCDLIII

On American Liberty

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness; that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."

Thomas Jefferson, The Declaration of Independence, 1776

"The Christian religion, when divested of the rags in which they [the clergy] have enveloped it, and brought to the original purity and simplicity of it's benevolent institutor, is a religion of all others most friendly to liberty, science, and the freest expansion of the human mind."

Thomas Jefferson to Moses Robinson Washington, Mar. 23, 1801

"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."

Thomas Jefferson to Dr. Benjamin Rush, September 23, 1800

The truth about Mahomet

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

"A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property -- either as a child, a wife, or a concubine -- must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

"Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science -- the science against which it had vainly struggled -- the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."

Winston Churchill, Churchill, Winston S. (1899), The River War, First edition, Vol. II, pp. 248-250

A war of twelve hundred years

"And he [Jesus] declared, that the enjoyment of felicity in the world hereafter, would be reward of the practice of benevolence here. His whole law was resolvable into the precept of love; peace on earth – good will toward man, was the early object of his mission; and the authoritative demonstration of the immortality of man, was that, which constituted the more than earthly tribute of glory to God in the highest [...] The first conquest of the religion of Jesus, was over the unsocial passions of his disciples. It elevated the standard of the human character in the scale of existence. [...] On the Christian system of morals, man is an immortal spirit, confined for a short space of time, in an earthly tabernacle. Kindness to his fellow mortals embraces the whole compass of his duties upon earth, and the whole promise of happiness to his spirit hereafter. THE ESSENCE OF THIS DOCTRINE IS, TO EXALT THE SPIRITUAL OVER THE BRUTAL PART OF HIS NATURE.

[...]

“In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar [i.e., Muhammad], the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE

[...]

"Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. The war is yet flagrant. [...] While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and good will towards men.”

John Quincy Adams, Blunt, Joseph (1830),The American Annual Register for the Years 1827-8-9, pp. 268-269

Impossible Islamophobia

Nearly one and one-half millennia of slavery, rape, and slaughter in Allah's name ...

80% of American -- not Pakistani, not Saudi Arabian, not Iranian, but American -- mosques teach jihad/Islamic supremacism ...

Nearly twenty-seven thousand documented jihad attacks since 9/11 alone, and ...

Islam's "Ideal Man" Muhammad -- Allah's "beautiful pattern of conduct" for those who want to please it -- preached and practiced genocide, pedophilia, rape, slavery, torture, mutilation, anti-Semitism, theft, extortion, arson, wife-beating, polygyny, religious and gender apartheid, sedition, treason, deceit, and blasphemy and warned his devotees that "Allah made me do it, and you will too, or else!"

No, "Islamophobia" is impossible. Merely pointing out simple facts regarding a genocidal, malevolent, and totalitarian ideology is neither phobic nor intolerant. It is highly rational and moral.

We are in only the latest phase of an ancient and existential struggle, Allah's war against humanity.

Speaking the truth in love

Never surrender

"we shall prove ourselves once again able to defend our Island home, to ride out the storm of war, and to outlive the menace of tyranny, if necessary for years, if necessary alone [...].

"we shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end [...] we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender [...]."

Winston Churchill to the House of Commons, June 4, 1940