Sunday, February 5

Avoiding the truth and changing the subject does not a persuasive argument make

A guest continues to avoid addressing Allah and his apostle's commands and actions as recorded in Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira requiring violence against the Infidel. Worse than that, he is also ripping Biblical texts from their clear historical and literary contexts to try to justify misunderstandings of Christ and Mohammed.

Following are some of my thoughts in response to one of his recent posts.
"and if he was false as you claim so why more than1.000.000.000 Muslims are following him?Are they all wrong and you are right?!!!"
If Christ is false as you claim, why are more than one billion Christians following Him? Are they all wrong and you right?

Obviously, when two mutually-exclusive claims are made, either one is true and the other false, or both are false, but they cannot both be true.

Neither is the popularity of an idea any indication of its validity. Or are you saying billions of Buddhists are right and you are wrong?
"And I don't want to talk about Christianity and bible'S as if I talked I'll say that Christianity nowadays isn't original Christianity and ALL bibles nowadays aren't Allah's words to Jesus and your basic beliefs are wrong....No,I'm talking about the SOURCE Bible sent to Jesus,not corrupted bibles..."
How do you know? If you are right and the Bible today isn't the Bible given by YHWH and His Christ, you couldn't possibly know that and neither could have Mohammed, since the newest of the Biblical texts we have today existed six centuries before Islam.

In other words, Mohammed had the same Bible as did Christ and His Apostles, and as we have today.
"and how Prophet Jesus know about Prophet Mohamed however Prophet Mohamed came after Prophet Jesus?You made the math."
Mohammed is not mentioned in the Biblical texts except indirectly and in a general sense, as are all false prophets denying the truth of YHWH and His Christ.
"You may say that you read bible several times and never saw the name of Muhammad,Right? So;Is there a mention about Jesus name in Old Testament prophecies?!!
Ancient Israel understood (however imperfectly) those prophecies to be of the Messiah. Jesus said that He was the Messiah promised to Israel by God and that all the Law and (true) Prophets testified of Him.

And since "Jesus" means "God saves" and "Christ" means "Anointed One" ("Messiah" in Hebrew), yes, Jesus was mentioned by name.
One such prophecy is in the book of Deuteronomy, wherein Prophet Moses was quoted as saying:And the Lord said unto me,They have well spoken that which they spoken.I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren..."
I thought you just said the Bible was corrupted, and now you cite it for proof of Mohammed's divine calling? Which is it? You can't have it both ways.

That One spoken of by YHWH through Moses was Jesus of Nazareth:
  • Jesus was (is) a Jew, one of their brothers (not a distantly related cousin, as are the Arabs);
  • Jesus is directly descended from King David, as was foretold;
  • Jesus is the Prophet, Priest, and King, of Whom others were only foreshadowings;
  • Jesus spoke the words of God, since He was (is) the Word of God made Flesh; and
  • Jesus taught, "I and the Father are one."
With your comment above and those that follow it, you try to usurp the Old Testament prophecies regarding YHWH's Messiah for your "prophet." However, Jesus said those promises spoke of Himself.

To do this is either intellectually dishonest or ignorant. If you want to make the Old Testament prophecies regarding Christ speak of Mohammed, then you must also claim that your apostle:
  • was born of a virgin, in Bethlehem;
  • was called out of Egypt;
  • was called the Son of YHWH, "God with us," and "Mighty God;"
  • was crucified, punished, and killed to take away our sins; and
  • healed the blind, deaf, dumb, and lame;
since these also were prophesied regarding the One of Whom Moses spoke, the Messiah, who is Jesus of Nazareth.

You can't pick and choose. You can't have it both ways.
If you think that I believe in your yhwh father of Prophet Jesus(Eisa);you must be....wrong....your God who I believe in is ALLAH.
I know you do not believe in my God. I just said that. And Allah is definitely not my god. I believe in the One Who created all things and bought me with His precious blood, not the one who received from his god permission to kill, steal, and rape.

Your error is that you are confusing your god with my own. My God is YHWH and Jesus is His Only-Begotten Son. Your god is not.

You can't change history. YHWH and His Christ revealed themselves centuries before Mohammed tried to take for his own their history in order to justify his own creation (or perhaps he received bad information; either way, Allah is definitely not YHWH or His Messiah).
Prophet Moses also spoke to Allah;was he son of the God?!!!!!
Isn't lying about YHWH and Jesus enough? Must you also lie about Moses too?

Moses said YHWH revealed Himself to him. Moses said he believed in and served YHWH. He would never have spoken to or served another, false god.
At the first it's European Christians who conquered Islamic Lands and killed a lot of innocents,made Al-Aqsa mosque a place for pigs,stole our sciences..etc....
Since you make the false claims you do regarding the Bible, I don't suppose I should be surprised at this misstatement of history (I will assume you are not intentionally deceiving).

There were no European Christians warring in "Islamic Lands" until almost the 12th century a.D., until after being called for help by Eastern Christianity suffering at the hands of--you guessed it--Islam.

And how did those lands become "Islamic"? It was through centuries of Jihad and Dhimma!

After slaughtering and subduing Arabia in the name of Allah, Islam expanded throughout the Christian and Jewish lands of the Middle East, North Africa, and Europe, and the Christian, Jewish, Zoroastrian, Buddhist, and Hindu lands of Asia.

The "Golden Age of Islam" to which you no doubt appeal was produced largely by the peoples conquered by Islam who preferred vile submission and humiliation over beheading.
What about your questions:
1. Do you renounce bin Laden as an unbeliever misrepresenting Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira?
And what about CHRISTIAN Hitler who killed 50.000.000 persons..and why you mentioned Bin laden and didn't mention Ibn Sina,Al Khawarizmy,Ibn Al Haitham,..etc
So, that's a "no"?

As telling as your distortions of the Bible and history is what you will not say. Now you're really showing the "true face of Islam"!

And Hitler was no Christian.
3. Do you agree that all non-Muslims and women under an Islamic state should have fully the same rights as do male Muslims?
That's what we're ordered to do.
Not by Allah and his apostle, who command, "Fight against...the People of the Book until they feel themselves subdued and pay the jizya," and, "Beat your wives...." Under Sharia, non-Muslims and women are not afforded fully equal rights as Muslim males (this is a subject we've already covered with regard to non-Muslims in Egypt, which you've already lamented is fully yet under Sharia).
4. Do you reject Dhimma as unequal and unjust?
It's the most equal rules I have seen among all laws in treating groups who don't belong to state faith and doctrines.
So, again, "no"?

Apparently, you've not been to any of the countries which allow freedom of religion.
5. Do you reject Sura 9 and all other Islamic "sacred" texts requiring offensive violence against non-Muslims as false revelations?
NO;as they aren't ordering offensive wars.
(Since below you do not reject Mohammed's command to kill those who leave their Islamic faith, one must wonder if you're telling the truth here. Assuming you are...)

Traditional Islam understands them as such, as did Mohammed.

And you still have not demonstrated from their historical and literary contexts that passages like "...kill the unbelievers wherever you find them" (Qur'an 9:5) mean anything other than their obvious, literal meaning (as their application throughout history would indicate).
6.Do you reject Mohammed's clear command to kill anyone who leaves his Islamic religion?
When you talk about my Prophet say "Prophet Mohamed"…NO.. and who leave Christianity what do you do with him?!!!!!
You do not reject Mohammed's command to kill those who leave Islam! More of the "true face of Islam," I suppose!

It is clear that Mohammed was not a prophet of the One True God, or he would have said the things that YHWH and His Christ said. So no, I will not lie.

And no, when someone leaves Christianity, a Christian is to pray for, witness to, and love them, but never cause them harm.
Every nation has the right to exist it's own homeland..but with Israel in Islamic area the case is that it's not its own homeland and as you know it came 60 years later to Islamic lands
Israel existed as a nation in its present location (but with a much larger territory) for one and one-half millennia, centuries before Islam's arrival.
And if you believe that Israel has this right,so why we don't invite it to come to America and take a part from it and say it's homeland;as Americans are so kind?!!!!
America accepts people from all over the world. Each of these people have the opportunity to become full citizens and receive citizenship's benefits, including the freedoms of religion and speech. That is much more than can be said for any land under Sharia.
Some questions to you:
*If really Allah order Muslims to kill any unbeliever whether he was fighting us or not wherever we find him..;so why Qur'an ordered us to deal with those who don't fight us kindly and justly(60:8)....
As I have noted before, some Qur'anic passages speak of cooperation and kindness with non-Muslims. The problem (for Infidels) is that many of these passages have been abrogated by Allah's later commands for offensive warfare.

No doubt, exceptions arose that could be conveniently exploited for Islam or one of its leaders. Exceptions only prove the rule, and this still does not address the fact that Islam requires offensive warfare against non-Muslims.
*How do you understand the word 'Jihad'?
I understand there is more than one meaning for the word. I do not care about inner, personal struggles. I care about offensive warfare made against unbelievers in the name of Allah. That is evil.
*If Islam is a terrorist religion,why we deny that?!!
If by "we" you mean Muslims, many do not deny that. And since Mohammed said he was made victorious by terror, and that Allah will strike terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, I don't see how such a denial could be made truthfully.

Certainly, some who call themselves "Muslim" are decent, peaceful people. Unfortunately, such goodness is inconsistent with Allah's commands and Mohammed's example.

Of course, other Muslims deny the truth to deceive the gullible, ignorant, and welcoming Infidel.
*If Islam is really religion of terrorism why it's the biggest followed religion in the world and the quickest religion in spreading(specially in America)?!!
Your numbers are disputable, and any religion will eventually seem successful if it kills off the competition.
We differ in points of view;but this shouldn't create hatred(absoluotly from you towards me).
Any way in the Day of the Judgement every one will take his right.And not me who will give you your retribution but He is ALLAH....
Do you not wish me harm?

Even if you do, in no way do I hate you. Rather, I love you enough that I would take the time to write to someone who has repeatedly expressed his support for an ideology that not only calls my God a liar, but also requires violence against people like me.

I pray that you put your faith in the Son of God, Who loved you and gave Himself over to death for you. In Jesus we have the forgiveness of sins and eternal life.

May you find the peace of Christ,

Amillennialist