Avoiding the truth and changing the subject does not a persuasive argument make

Sunday, February 5

Avoiding the truth and changing the subject does not a persuasive argument make

A guest continues to avoid addressing Allah and his apostle's commands and actions as recorded in Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira requiring violence against the Infidel. Worse than that, he is also ripping Biblical texts from their clear historical and literary contexts to try to justify misunderstandings of Christ and Mohammed.

Following are some of my thoughts in response to one of his recent posts.

"and if he was false as you claim so why more than1.000.000.000 Muslims are following him?Are they all wrong and you are right?!!!"

If Christ is false as you claim, why are more than one billion Christians following Him? Are they all wrong and you right?

Obviously, when two mutually-exclusive claims are made, either one is true and the other false, or both are false, but they cannot both be true.

Neither is the popularity of an idea any indication of its validity. Or are you saying billions of Buddhists are right and you are wrong?

"And I don't want to talk about Christianity and bible'S as if I talked I'll say that Christianity nowadays isn't original Christianity and ALL bibles nowadays aren't Allah's words to Jesus and your basic beliefs are wrong....No,I'm talking about the SOURCE Bible sent to Jesus,not corrupted bibles..."

How do you know? If you are right and the Bible today isn't the Bible given by YHWH and His Christ, you couldn't possibly know that and neither could have Mohammed, since the newest of the Biblical texts we have today existed six centuries before Islam.

In other words, Mohammed had the same Bible as did Christ and His Apostles, and as we have today.

"and how Prophet Jesus know about Prophet Mohamed however Prophet Mohamed came after Prophet Jesus?You made the math."

Mohammed is not mentioned in the Biblical texts except indirectly and in a general sense, as are all false prophets denying the truth of YHWH and His Christ.

"You may say that you read bible several times and never saw the name of Muhammad,Right? So;Is there a mention about Jesus name in Old Testament prophecies?!!

Ancient Israel understood (however imperfectly) those prophecies to be of the Messiah. Jesus said that He was the Messiah promised to Israel by God and that all the Law and (true) Prophets testified of Him.

And since "Jesus" means "God saves" and "Christ" means "Anointed One" ("Messiah" in Hebrew), yes, Jesus was mentioned by name.

One such prophecy is in the book of Deuteronomy, wherein Prophet Moses was quoted as saying:And the Lord said unto me,They have well spoken that which they spoken.I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren..."

I thought you just said the Bible was corrupted, and now you cite it for proof of Mohammed's divine calling? Which is it? You can't have it both ways.

That One spoken of by YHWH through Moses was Jesus of Nazareth:

Jesus was (is) a Jew, one of their brothers (not a distantly related cousin, as are the Arabs);
Jesus is directly descended from King David, as was foretold;
Jesus is the Prophet, Priest, and King, of Whom others were only foreshadowings;
Jesus spoke the words of God, since He was (is) the Word of God made Flesh; and
Jesus taught, "I and the Father are one."

With your comment above and those that follow it, you try to usurp the Old Testament prophecies regarding YHWH's Messiah for your "prophet." However, Jesus said those promises spoke of Himself.

To do this is either intellectually dishonest or ignorant. If you want to make the Old Testament prophecies regarding Christ speak of Mohammed, then you must also claim that your apostle:

was born of a virgin, in Bethlehem;
was called out of Egypt;
was called the Son of YHWH, "God with us," and "Mighty God;"
was crucified, punished, and killed to take away our sins; and
healed the blind, deaf, dumb, and lame;

since these also were prophesied regarding the One of Whom Moses spoke, the Messiah, who is Jesus of Nazareth.

You can't pick and choose. You can't have it both ways.

If you think that I believe in your yhwh father of Prophet Jesus(Eisa);you must be....wrong....your God who I believe in is ALLAH.

I know you do not believe in my God. I just said that. And Allah is definitely not my god. I believe in the One Who created all things and bought me with His precious blood, not the one who received from his god permission to kill, steal, and rape.

Your error is that you are confusing your god with my own. My God is YHWH and Jesus is His Only-Begotten Son. Your god is not.

You can't change history. YHWH and His Christ revealed themselves centuries before Mohammed tried to take for his own their history in order to justify his own creation (or perhaps he received bad information; either way, Allah is definitely not YHWH or His Messiah).

Prophet Moses also spoke to Allah;was he son of the God?!!!!!

Isn't lying about YHWH and Jesus enough? Must you also lie about Moses too?

Moses said YHWH revealed Himself to him. Moses said he believed in and served YHWH. He would never have spoken to or served another, false god.

At the first it's European Christians who conquered Islamic Lands and killed a lot of innocents,made Al-Aqsa mosque a place for pigs,stole our sciences..etc....

Since you make the false claims you do regarding the Bible, I don't suppose I should be surprised at this misstatement of history (I will assume you are not intentionally deceiving).

There were no European Christians warring in "Islamic Lands" until almost the 12th century a.D., until after being called for help by Eastern Christianity suffering at the hands of--you guessed it--Islam.

And how did those lands become "Islamic"? It was through centuries of Jihad and Dhimma!

After slaughtering and subduing Arabia in the name of Allah, Islam expanded throughout the Christian and Jewish lands of the Middle East, North Africa, and Europe, and the Christian, Jewish, Zoroastrian, Buddhist, and Hindu lands of Asia.

The "Golden Age of Islam" to which you no doubt appeal was produced largely by the peoples conquered by Islam who preferred vile submission and humiliation over beheading.

What about your questions:
1. Do you renounce bin Laden as an unbeliever misrepresenting Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira?
And what about CHRISTIAN Hitler who killed 50.000.000 persons..and why you mentioned Bin laden and didn't mention Ibn Sina,Al Khawarizmy,Ibn Al Haitham,..etc

So, that's a "no"?

As telling as your distortions of the Bible and history is what you will not say. Now you're really showing the "true face of Islam"!

And Hitler was no Christian.

3. Do you agree that all non-Muslims and women under an Islamic state should have fully the same rights as do male Muslims?
That's what we're ordered to do.

Not by Allah and his apostle, who command, "Fight against...the People of the Book until they feel themselves subdued and pay the jizya," and, "Beat your wives...." Under Sharia, non-Muslims and women are not afforded fully equal rights as Muslim males (this is a subject we've already covered with regard to non-Muslims in Egypt, which you've already lamented is fully yet under Sharia).

4. Do you reject Dhimma as unequal and unjust?
It's the most equal rules I have seen among all laws in treating groups who don't belong to state faith and doctrines.

So, again, "no"?

Apparently, you've not been to any of the countries which allow freedom of religion.

5. Do you reject Sura 9 and all other Islamic "sacred" texts requiring offensive violence against non-Muslims as false revelations?
NO;as they aren't ordering offensive wars.

(Since below you do not reject Mohammed's command to kill those who leave their Islamic faith, one must wonder if you're telling the truth here. Assuming you are...)

Traditional Islam understands them as such, as did Mohammed.

And you still have not demonstrated from their historical and literary contexts that passages like "...kill the unbelievers wherever you find them" (Qur'an 9:5) mean anything other than their obvious, literal meaning (as their application throughout history would indicate).

6.Do you reject Mohammed's clear command to kill anyone who leaves his Islamic religion?
When you talk about my Prophet say "Prophet Mohamed"…NO.. and who leave Christianity what do you do with him?!!!!!

You do not reject Mohammed's command to kill those who leave Islam! More of the "true face of Islam," I suppose!

It is clear that Mohammed was not a prophet of the One True God, or he would have said the things that YHWH and His Christ said. So no, I will not lie.

And no, when someone leaves Christianity, a Christian is to pray for, witness to, and love them, but never cause them harm.

Every nation has the right to exist it's own homeland..but with Israel in Islamic area the case is that it's not its own homeland and as you know it came 60 years later to Islamic lands

Israel existed as a nation in its present location (but with a much larger territory) for one and one-half millennia, centuries before Islam's arrival.

And if you believe that Israel has this right,so why we don't invite it to come to America and take a part from it and say it's homeland;as Americans are so kind?!!!!

America accepts people from all over the world. Each of these people have the opportunity to become full citizens and receive citizenship's benefits, including the freedoms of religion and speech. That is much more than can be said for any land under Sharia.

Some questions to you:
*If really Allah order Muslims to kill any unbeliever whether he was fighting us or not wherever we find him..;so why Qur'an ordered us to deal with those who don't fight us kindly and justly(60:8)....

As I have noted before, some Qur'anic passages speak of cooperation and kindness with non-Muslims. The problem (for Infidels) is that many of these passages have been abrogated by Allah's later commands for offensive warfare.

No doubt, exceptions arose that could be conveniently exploited for Islam or one of its leaders. Exceptions only prove the rule, and this still does not address the fact that Islam requires offensive warfare against non-Muslims.

*How do you understand the word 'Jihad'?

I understand there is more than one meaning for the word. I do not care about inner, personal struggles. I care about offensive warfare made against unbelievers in the name of Allah. That is evil.

*If Islam is a terrorist religion,why we deny that?!!

If by "we" you mean Muslims, many do not deny that. And since Mohammed said he was made victorious by terror, and that Allah will strike terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, I don't see how such a denial could be made truthfully.

Certainly, some who call themselves "Muslim" are decent, peaceful people. Unfortunately, such goodness is inconsistent with Allah's commands and Mohammed's example.

Of course, other Muslims deny the truth to deceive the gullible, ignorant, and welcoming Infidel.

*If Islam is really religion of terrorism why it's the biggest followed religion in the world and the quickest religion in spreading(specially in America)?!!

Your numbers are disputable, and any religion will eventually seem successful if it kills off the competition.

We differ in points of view;but this shouldn't create hatred(absoluotly from you towards me).
Any way in the Day of the Judgement every one will take his right.And not me who will give you your retribution but He is ALLAH....

Do you not wish me harm?

Even if you do, in no way do I hate you. Rather, I love you enough that I would take the time to write to someone who has repeatedly expressed his support for an ideology that not only calls my God a liar, but also requires violence against people like me.

I pray that you put your faith in the Son of God, Who loved you and gave Himself over to death for you. In Jesus we have the forgiveness of sins and eternal life.

May you find the peace of Christ,

Amillennialist

On the fall of Constantinople

"[...] the great church of Hagia Sophia was filled to capacity. Thousands of people were moving towards the church. Inside, Orthodox and Catholic priests were holding liturgy, the last Christian service after almost 1,000 years. People were singing hymns, others were openly crying, others were asking each other for forgiveness [...].

"Bands of Ottoman soldiers began now looting. Doors were broken, private homes were looted, their tenants were massacred. Shops in the city markets were looted. Monasteries and Convents were broken in. Their tenants were killed, nuns were raped; many, to avoid dishonor, killed themselves. Killing, raping, looting, burning, enslaving, went on and on [...].

"The great doors of Hagia Sophia were forced open, and crowds of angry soldiers came in and fell upon the unfortunate worshippers. Pillaging and killing in the holy place went on for hours. Similar was the fate of worshippers in most churches in the city [...].

"Thousands of civilians were enslaved, soldiers fought over young boys and young women [...] the invaders broke the heads of those women who resisted on the floor of the churches and they raped them dead. The famous icon of Apostole Loukas was totally destroyed.

"The sultan asked for the young sons of Duke Loukas Notaras. Their father refused and Mehmed was ready to take their heads. Notaras asked him to kill him after his sons so that he was sure that they were dead and not disgraced from the pervert sultan.

"And this is what happened."

Black Tuesday, The Last Day of the World, the twenty-ninth of May, anno Domini MCDLIII

On American Liberty

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness; that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."

Thomas Jefferson, The Declaration of Independence, 1776

"The Christian religion, when divested of the rags in which they [the clergy] have enveloped it, and brought to the original purity and simplicity of it's benevolent institutor, is a religion of all others most friendly to liberty, science, and the freest expansion of the human mind."

Thomas Jefferson to Moses Robinson Washington, Mar. 23, 1801

"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."

Thomas Jefferson to Dr. Benjamin Rush, September 23, 1800

The truth about Mahomet

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

"A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property -- either as a child, a wife, or a concubine -- must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

"Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science -- the science against which it had vainly struggled -- the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."

Winston Churchill, Churchill, Winston S. (1899), The River War, First edition, Vol. II, pp. 248-250

A war of twelve hundred years

"And he [Jesus] declared, that the enjoyment of felicity in the world hereafter, would be reward of the practice of benevolence here. His whole law was resolvable into the precept of love; peace on earth – good will toward man, was the early object of his mission; and the authoritative demonstration of the immortality of man, was that, which constituted the more than earthly tribute of glory to God in the highest [...] The first conquest of the religion of Jesus, was over the unsocial passions of his disciples. It elevated the standard of the human character in the scale of existence. [...] On the Christian system of morals, man is an immortal spirit, confined for a short space of time, in an earthly tabernacle. Kindness to his fellow mortals embraces the whole compass of his duties upon earth, and the whole promise of happiness to his spirit hereafter. THE ESSENCE OF THIS DOCTRINE IS, TO EXALT THE SPIRITUAL OVER THE BRUTAL PART OF HIS NATURE.

[...]

“In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar [i.e., Muhammad], the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE

[...]

"Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. The war is yet flagrant. [...] While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and good will towards men.”

John Quincy Adams, Blunt, Joseph (1830),The American Annual Register for the Years 1827-8-9, pp. 268-269

Impossible Islamophobia

Nearly one and one-half millennia of slavery, rape, and slaughter in Allah's name ...

80% of American -- not Pakistani, not Saudi Arabian, not Iranian, but American -- mosques teach jihad/Islamic supremacism ...

Nearly twenty-seven thousand documented jihad attacks since 9/11 alone, and ...

Islam's "Ideal Man" Muhammad -- Allah's "beautiful pattern of conduct" for those who want to please it -- preached and practiced genocide, pedophilia, rape, slavery, torture, mutilation, anti-Semitism, theft, extortion, arson, wife-beating, polygyny, religious and gender apartheid, sedition, treason, deceit, and blasphemy and warned his devotees that "Allah made me do it, and you will too, or else!"

No, "Islamophobia" is impossible. Merely pointing out simple facts regarding a genocidal, malevolent, and totalitarian ideology is neither phobic nor intolerant. It is highly rational and moral.

We are in only the latest phase of an ancient and existential struggle, Allah's war against humanity.

Speaking the truth in love

Never surrender

"we shall prove ourselves once again able to defend our Island home, to ride out the storm of war, and to outlive the menace of tyranny, if necessary for years, if necessary alone [...].

"we shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end [...] we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender [...]."

Winston Churchill to the House of Commons, June 4, 1940