Wednesday, November 07, 2007

Defending in arrogant ignorance those who would enslave and destroy all you hold dear deserves no praise

In response to rabello, from here:
I do find blatant negative stereotyping and blanket condemnation of human beings just because of their religion extemely distasteful, however.
Who is responsible for the "negative stereotyping," those who disapprove of slaughtering innocents to shouts of "allahu akbar!" or those who actually carry out the slaughter?

Why do you not find instead their barbarism "extemely distasteful"?
Discerning readers would note that I have not defended, nor condemned for that matter, "Islam," as I --like most non-Muslims who fight (as opposed to discuss) here --have no knowledgeable basis for doing so.
If you know nothing of Islam (still bragging about that, I see!), then how can you criticize others who do know?

What makes you think that defending evil out of ignorance is meritorious?
I do, however, try to confront bigotry, hatred, blatant negative stereotyping and blanket condemnation of human beings based on their religion
Except when Mohammed does it.

It must take a lot of courage to remain absolutely ignorant of the ideology responsible for hundreds of millions (billions?) of Infidel deaths over the last fourteen centuries (and nearly 10,000 attacks since 9/11).
I do not agree that the basic tenets of Islam are "convertion (sic) of the infidel to its beliefs or the destruction of everything the infidel holds dear."
Either you know what Qur'an and Sunnah state, or you do not.

If you do not, then you are completely unqualified to offer any opinion at all.
That would equal blatant negative stereotyping and blanket condemnation of human beings based on their religion, which as I've said, I find repulsive.
Which is exactly why "discerning readers" find your obtuseness inexplicable.
For all the "quotes" from the Koran put forth by non-Muslims on this and the old board
So, who quotes Qur'an determines whether or not the words are actually there? That's nonsense.

To argue that one must be Muslim to accurately cite Islam's texts is logically fallacious.

What makes a person qualified to cite Qur'an and Sunnah? The ability to read.
not one piece of real evidence has ever been presented that *proves* what Islam and Muslims are constantly accused of. It all comes down to personal opinion, based on what?
"Personal opinion" is a convenient but craven way of avoiding addressing the point, which is: What did Mohammed actually say and practice?

With regard to jihad, here's a snip:
"the Messenger of Allah . . . would say: 'Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war. . . . When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. . . . Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. . . . If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them . . .'" (Muslim Book 19, Number 4294).

"fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) . . . " (Qur’an 9:5).

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" (Qur'an 9:29).

"Allah's Apostle said: 'I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle . . . '" (Bukhari Volume 1, Book 2, Number 24).

“Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been made victorious with terror. The treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand’” (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220).
rabello continues,
Muslims, who should be able to come to this board to discuss their religion without being victimized by constant, mean-spirited, unfounded, totally personal attacks.
What is "victimizing, mean-spirited, unfounded, or personal" about citing the word of Allah and the example of his apostle?

And why won't you do Muslims the courtesy of allowing their god and prophet to speak for themselves?
My only agenda is to speak up for rational tolerance and peace.
There's a term for those who ignorantly and vigorously defend those struggling to convert, enslave, or destroy them and theirs.

"Rational" isn't it.